what if there was no pearl harbour

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Why does everyone forget about all the people Hitler killed that WEREN'T Jewish. I dont mean to minimalize their deaths but non-Jews are always overlooked. And if you want to talk about who killed more Stalin was much much much worse then Hitler. Stalin made Hitler look like a rookie in regards to murder. About 90% of Germans never came back from Soviet prison camps, and about 90% of Soviet prisoners came HOME from German prison camps.

[Gustaf]

Why does everyone forget about all the people Hitler killed that WEREN'T Jewish. I dont mean to minimalize their deaths but non-Jews are always overlooked. And if you want to talk about who killed more Stalin was much much much worse then Hitler. Stalin made Hitler look like a rookie in regards to murder. About 90% of Germans never came back from Soviet prison camps, and about 90% of Soviet prisoners came HOME from German prison camps.

I didn't forget about them, that's the 'among others' in my above post. I won't argue with you on Stalin, but I fail to see your point. And the percentages just might have something to do woth the fact that Nazi-Germany lost and the Soviet Union won, no?

[Gustaf]

I don't think the reason for the Middle East being anti-American was your involvement in WWII. And a Cold War against Germany could very well have occured. And condemning, among others, 5 million Jews to death would have been bad, imo.

It was about 6.3 million

Just to clarify, I believe that there were 11 million Jews in Europe at the time and of those about 6 million were killed by the Nazis. So the remaining 5 million were those I referred to, since they would have been killed as well if the Nazis hadn't lsot the war by 1945.

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Might be but its also known that that Nazis were not as harsh with certain POWs as they were with civilians. The Japanese had the worst treatment of POWs. You should hear the stories I've heard from a person I know who lived in the Phillipines during the occupation of Japan. Disgusting.

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The next debate would be "How much of the holocaust did the German people ACTUALLY know about?" Now that's a can of worms in itself.

[Gustaf]

Might be but its also known that that Nazis were not as harsh with certain POWs as they were with civilians. The Japanese had the worst treatment of POWs. You should hear the stories I've heard from a person I know who lived in the Phillipines during the occupation of Japan. Disgusting.

I have read 'King Rat'. I know.

[Gustaf]

The next debate would be "How much of the holocaust did the German people ACTUALLY know about?" Now that's a can of worms in itself.

Probably not all there was to know, but that doesn't really matter much. They knew what Hitler wanted with the Jews.

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This guy I used to work with say Japanese soldiers tossing babies in the air and catching them with their bayonets.

[Gustaf]

This guy I used to work with say Japanese soldiers tossing babies in the air and catching them with their bayonets.

I am not sure what your point is. They were cruel, yeah. I am not arguing that. I've read Jungle War by Charles Rolls, I think he's name was.

[dunn]

Why does everyone forget about all the people Hitler killed that WEREN'T Jewish. I dont mean to minimalize their deaths but non-Jews are always overlooked. And if you want to talk about who killed more Stalin was much much much worse then Hitler. Stalin made Hitler look like a rookie in regards to murder. About 90% of Germans never came back from Soviet prison camps, and about 90% of Soviet prisoners came HOME from German prison camps.

he was not after any other people on a jenocide mission

[Gustaf]

Why does everyone forget about all the people Hitler killed that WEREN'T Jewish. I dont mean to minimalize their deaths but non-Jews are always overlooked. And if you want to talk about who killed more Stalin was much much much worse then Hitler. Stalin made Hitler look like a rookie in regards to murder. About 90% of Germans never came back from Soviet prison camps, and about 90% of Soviet prisoners came HOME from German prison camps.

he was not after any other people on a jenocide mission

Gypses, or Romes. And homosexuals, though that's a different kind of group.

[dunn]

Why does everyone forget about all the people Hitler killed that WEREN'T Jewish. I dont mean to minimalize their deaths but non-Jews are always overlooked. And if you want to talk about who killed more Stalin was much much much worse then Hitler. Stalin made Hitler look like a rookie in regards to murder. About 90% of Germans never came back from Soviet prison camps, and about 90% of Soviet prisoners came HOME from German prison camps.

he was not after any other people on a jenocide mission

Gypses, or Romes. And homosexuals, though that's a different kind of group.

How many gypses died?

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I dont know the exact number of gypsies killed but it was in the tens of thousands.

[dunn]

I dont know the exact number of gypsies killed but it was in the tens of thousands.

sounds corect. about 0.5%-1% of the number of jews

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It didn't take Hitler or Stalin very much to kill you, I mean looking at either one the wrong way would get you eliminated.

[Kghadial]

Wasn't it Stalin who said:

To kill one is a tragedy. To kill thousands is a statistic.

Stalin made sure there were no tragedies ...

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We should have continued to war and moved on to Russia just for the fact of Stalin.

[dunn]

We should have continued to war and moved on to Russia just for the fact of Stalin.

sir winston wanted just that

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He was a good man.

[dunn]

He was a good man.

He was Great. My  pick for the 20th century Man of the century

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What about Theodore Roosevelt? He would be a close second.

[dunn]

What about Theodore Roosevelt? He would be a close second.

FDR or TR

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How do you nominate a man of the century?  there are so many options.  I would have to go with Martin Luther King though.

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FDR, lol no way.

[Nation]

Man of the century? Charlie Chaplin.