To me it seems pretty silly that Obama thinks he can ACTUALLY get North Carolina

[Ronnie]

He described North Carolina as a "swing state".  WRONG, Bush won it by 16%.  There would have to be a MASSIVE swing to get it into the Obama aisle, especially since it is a pretty conservative state.  Do you agree?

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All things are possible with Our Lord and Saviour!

[ChrisFromNJ]

It really worries me that Obama's advisors actually think that he can win North Carolina...

That is scary. Who are these incompetent people?

[Хahar 🤔]

Which do? Other than Josh22, that is.

But it is worth noting that Howard Dean's 50-state strategy paid dividends in 2006.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

It really worries me that Obama's advisors actually think that he can win North Carolina...

That is scary. Who are these incompetent people?

Better than Hillary's advisors, that's for sure.

[ChrisFromNJ]

It really worries me that Obama's advisors actually think that he can win North Carolina...

That is scary. Who are these incompetent people?

Better than Hillary's advisors, that's for sure.

At least Hillary's advisors realize that the swing states are Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and West Virginia, unlike Obama's advisors, who think that the swing states are Virginia and North Carolina.

[exopolitician]

It really worries me that Obama's advisors actually think that he can win North Carolina...

That is scary. Who are these incompetent people?

Better than Hillary's advisors, that's for sure.

At least Hillary's advisors realize that the swing states are Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and West Virginia, unlike Obama's advisors, who think that the swing states are Virginia and North Carolina.

When he won the primary....did you actually want him to say election night..."Yay we won North Carolina.....but its cool though cause we are definately going to lose it in November! WOO HOO!"


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[zombones]

This topic is highly retarded

[Nutmeg]

Summary:

Republicans and Hillary hacks to Obama: GIVE UP.

[Torie]

Hey I read somewhere that Obama can win Nebraska, or at least a CD or two. Keep hope alive. Next thing you know, Provo will go Dem!

[exopolitician]

It really worries me that Obama's advisors actually think that he can win North Carolina...

That is scary. Who are these incompetent people?

Better than Hillary's advisors, that's for sure.

At least Hillary's advisors realize that the swing states are Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and West Virginia, unlike Obama's advisors, who think that the swing states are Virginia and North Carolina.

When he won the primary....did you actually want him to say election night..."Yay we won North Carolina.....but its cool though cause we are definately going to lose it in November! WOO HOO!"


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Also...what about this whole thing from Hillary "Oh ive won all the big states...like California and Texas..."

So does that mean you believe Obama is going to lose California but Clinton will win California AND Texas? She even said in her Victory speech how she'd campaign in Texas to move it in the "dem slot"

hm?

[SomeLawStudent]

He can't win North Carolina.  But maybe Virginia.

Which will be more than canceled out by his poor performance in New England, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

[Verily]

It really worries me that Obama's advisors actually think that he can win North Carolina...

That is scary. Who are these incompetent people?

This is ridiculous. Everyone will claim they can win crazy states at this point. Some may even claim such right before the election. It doesn't reflect on what they believe, it's to get their supporters fired up.

[exopolitician]

He can't win North Carolina.  But maybe Virginia.

Which will be more than canceled out by his poor performance in New England, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

Uh if he wins Virginia...he certainly as all hell would be winning New Jersey and Pennsylvania....unless something whacky happens and everything is topsy turby.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Anything is possible with Him, my friends. North Carolina, Nebraska, North Dakota, Virginia ... there isn't a state that will refuse to fall to him!

[SomeLawStudent]

He can't win North Carolina.  But maybe Virginia.

Which will be more than canceled out by his poor performance in New England, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

Uh if he wins Virginia...he certainly as all hell would be winning New Jersey and Pennsylvania....unless something whacky happens and everything is topsy turby.

PA has a lower black population.  Northeast states have more racial tension and ethnic catholics that didn't really hurt Obama in a Democratic Primary but will come back to haunt him in November.  Also, Virginia is no longer really a threshold to show Democrats are overperforming in my opinion.  Look how much Northern Virginia has grown.  That coupled with the high black population could drive him over the top even as he's losing reliably democratic states.

[specific_name]

All things are possible with Our Lord and Saviour!

Obamanation? I'll get out my red map.

[Verily]

He can't win North Carolina.  But maybe Virginia.

Which will be more than canceled out by his poor performance in New England, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

Uh if he wins Virginia...he certainly as all hell would be winning New Jersey and Pennsylvania....unless something whacky happens and everything is topsy turby.

PA has a lower black population.  Northeast states have more racial tension and ethnic catholics that didn't really hurt Obama in a Democratic Primary but will come back to haunt him in November.  Also, Virginia is no longer really a threshold to show Democrats are overperforming in my opinion.  Look how much Northern Virginia has grown.  That coupled with the high black population could drive him over the top even as he's losing reliably democratic states.

You clearly know very little about your own region. I'll leave it at that. Pennsylvania will be interesting; the others, no.

[SomeLawStudent]

He can't win North Carolina.  But maybe Virginia.

Which will be more than canceled out by his poor performance in New England, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

Uh if he wins Virginia...he certainly as all hell would be winning New Jersey and Pennsylvania....unless something whacky happens and everything is topsy turby.

PA has a lower black population.  Northeast states have more racial tension and ethnic catholics that didn't really hurt Obama in a Democratic Primary but will come back to haunt him in November.  Also, Virginia is no longer really a threshold to show Democrats are overperforming in my opinion.  Look how much Northern Virginia has grown.  That coupled with the high black population could drive him over the top even as he's losing reliably democratic states.

You clearly know very little about your own region. I'll leave it at that. Pennsylvania will be interesting; the others, no.

Really?  I was one of the first to predict that Obama would win Connecticut in the primary.  Perhaps you haven't seen recent polls from "your region," like the one showing McCain and Obama tied in Massachusetts.  That shows just how weak he is going to be in several Northeast States.  Hope this helps.

[kevinatcausa]

To try and wrench this one back on topic:

Sen. Obama may not have much of a chance of winning NC.   He didn't have much of a chance of winning Pennsylvania in the primary either.   What he was able to do there was to force Sen. Clinton to spend money that was needed elsewhere.

Could he be trying (or going to try) something similar here (perhaps in VA more than NC)?

[Eraserhead]

He described North Carolina as a "swing state".  WRONG, Bush won it by 16% 12%.  There would have to be a MASSIVE swing to get it into the Obama aisle, especially since it is a pretty conservative state.  Do you agree?

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[Sbane]

He described North Carolina as a "swing state".  WRONG, Bush won it by 16% 12%.  There would have to be a MASSIVE swing to get it into the Obama aisle, especially since it is a pretty conservative state.  Do you agree?

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Ronnie can we agree that North Carolina will at least trend democrat this year? Like you said Reps had a 12 point win there last time and it was R+5 if I am remembering correctly. Would you agree that NC may only be R+3 or 4 this election cycle. I think if Obama wins the election by a good 6 to 7 points he could pick up NC. I know not likely to happen but certainly not impossible. Also whites in NC voted marginally more Obama than in PA so the map could end up looking a little weird this year.

[Josh/Devilman88]

First off, Obama only said that, because who is going to go to someone state and say "Hey we won tonight, but who care about you NC because you will vote for McCain in the fall". Also Blacks make up 21% of the RV in NC, with high turnout with blacks and low turnout with the Christian Consv basic, Obama looks like he will keep it close in 2008. Also it always good to get McCain to spend money in state like NC, VA ect and not spend it in state like PA, OH ect.

[Joe Republic]

PA has a lower black population.  Northeast states have more racial tension and ethnic catholics that didn't really hurt Obama in a Democratic Primary but will come back to haunt him in November.  Also, Virginia is no longer really a threshold to show Democrats are overperforming in my opinion.  Look how much Northern Virginia has grown.  That coupled with the high black population could drive him over the top even as he's losing reliably democratic states.

A nice jab there, but I hope you're remembering that Hillary Clinton is also losing plenty of other reliably Democratic states too.  You should do, as it has been pointed out to you several times.

[elcorazon]

It really worries me that Obama's advisors actually think that he can win North Carolina...

That is scary. Who are these incompetent people?

Better than Hillary's advisors, that's for sure.

At least Hillary's advisors realize that the swing states are Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and West Virginia, unlike Obama's advisors, who think that the swing states are Virginia and North Carolina.

I think Virginia is more winnable than West Virginia, and probably as winnable as Florida.  NC is likely more winnable than WV as well, although none are as swing as Ohio and Pennsylvania.