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« Reply #150 on: August 23, 2011, 07:22:03 PM »

I've been engaging with Senators in some further negotiations - I'm not sure this can wait until the new Senate sits....

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« Reply #151 on: August 23, 2011, 07:46:04 PM »

It's been two days. We can't just sit here indefinately.

Two days is so long. It isn't as if we were busy with an election. Roll Eyes

I think there was a Senator planning to propose an amendment but i'll wait for him.
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« Reply #152 on: August 23, 2011, 07:59:47 PM »

It's been two days. We can't just sit here indefinately.

Two days is so long. It isn't as if we were busy with an election. Roll Eyes

I think there was a Senator planning to propose an amendment but i'll wait for him.

Calm down Nappy.  I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't push things. I see a blank thread sitting for two days, that is a problem regardless of the circumstances and we need to see either an update on negotiations if they are occuring or the Senate has to move along. I have always been very lenient on time and have no problem giving this the time it needs. But work has to be progressing on the bill throughout the entirety of that time. If it is occuring behind the scenes, then a simple post like Polnut gave would suffice.
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« Reply #153 on: August 23, 2011, 08:04:14 PM »

The election was only occuring in the minority of that time after Polnut posted we should wait and the posting of my call for some indication of activity or movement here.

And even if the election was on-going throughout that period, it wouldn't matter. We haven't the time to just do nothing during election days.
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« Reply #154 on: August 23, 2011, 08:35:30 PM »

I am calm.

I do think election times allow for it to be reasonable for us to be a bit preoccupied.
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« Reply #155 on: August 23, 2011, 08:44:33 PM »

I am calm.

I do think election times allow for it to be reasonable for us to be a bit preoccupied.

We can slow the pace, but we can't stop entirely during those periods.
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« Reply #156 on: August 25, 2011, 02:17:04 PM »

Are these behind the scenes negotiations going anywhere?
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« Reply #157 on: August 25, 2011, 02:23:09 PM »

I'm sure there are, but I haven't been approached by anyone, so I guess the powers that be are intent with me opposing the bill. Wink
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« Reply #158 on: August 25, 2011, 03:53:04 PM »

Intent? If you mean content, then yes. I don't think anyone working on this bill expected your vote.
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« Reply #159 on: August 25, 2011, 05:09:26 PM »
« Edited: August 25, 2011, 05:12:53 PM by Senator Duke »

Intent? If you mean content, then yes. I don't think anyone working on this bill expected your vote.

Yes, iPhone autocorrect strikes again. You'd be surprised how easy I am to work with, Mr. Napoleon, if your idea was reasonable.

But OK. I'll be sure to vote against it then!
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« Reply #160 on: August 25, 2011, 05:27:29 PM »

Intent? If you mean content, then yes. I don't think anyone working on this bill expected your vote.

Yes, iPhone autocorrect strikes again. You'd be surprised how easy I am to work with, Mr. Napoleon, if your idea was reasonable.

But OK. I'll be sure to vote against it then!

My idea is reasonable. You already said you opposed this bill. Stop acting like there is anything else to it.
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« Reply #161 on: August 25, 2011, 06:04:01 PM »

Are these behind the scenes negotiations going anywhere?

I'm waiting to see what the final outcome is, and whether a Senator will be making an amendment.

I probably would have expected something by now, but I'm sure there's a reason.
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« Reply #162 on: August 26, 2011, 03:24:51 PM »

An agreement has been reached.
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« Reply #163 on: August 26, 2011, 09:03:10 PM »

Here is our compromise offered as an amendment

End to Imperialism Act
Funding for combat troops in Libya, and transfer of weapons to combatants there, shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective September 15, 2011.
Funding for combat troops in Iraq shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective November 30, 2011.
Funding for combat troops in Afghanistan shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective May 1, 2012, excepting training forces in Kabul. Funding for the remaining troops in Afghanistan shall no longer be authorized by this Senate effective October 1, 2012.

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« Reply #164 on: August 26, 2011, 09:08:42 PM »

I urge the Senate to adopt the compromise.  It achieves our goals, and all I wish for is a name change Tongue
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« Reply #165 on: August 26, 2011, 10:18:52 PM »

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« Reply #166 on: August 26, 2011, 10:54:40 PM »

This was is a considered Bill which may not be ideal for all does reflect both the realities on the ground and our place as a responsible global citizen.

I thank those Senators with whom I negotiated this agreement for their willingness to work together toward the common goal of getting our troops home and doing so in a sensible and thoughtful manner.
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« Reply #167 on: August 26, 2011, 11:09:28 PM »

Despite having my feelings hurt over this bill, I won't let my unchecked emotions get in the way of the bill. I will support it. I think it is a reasonable time table we should all consider supporting.
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« Reply #168 on: August 28, 2011, 03:27:21 PM »

Amendment 44:38 has passed.

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With no debate in the past 24 hours, a final vote is now open on the End to Imperialism Act, Senators please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
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« Reply #169 on: August 28, 2011, 05:55:32 PM »

A bill changes completely during a hurricane, without any explanation about the details, and as soon as I get internet access back we have to vote on it?
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« Reply #170 on: August 28, 2011, 08:07:30 PM »

A bill changes completely during a hurricane, without any explanation about the details, and as soon as I get internet access back we have to vote on it?
I had a similar situation, though I was aware of the changes.

Aye. Though if Senator Shua has a compelling reason, it may be a good idea to stop the vote.
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« Reply #171 on: August 28, 2011, 08:08:54 PM »

I really am confused about this. Whatever happened to the President's proposal to have all forces leave Afghanistan by June 1?
As far as restricting the forces there after May 1 to training, we shouldn't kid ourselves. That doesn't mean they won't be in combat. As long as they are in Afghanistan, they will be targeted. And isn't Winter the training season anyway?
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« Reply #172 on: August 28, 2011, 10:23:02 PM »

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« Reply #173 on: August 28, 2011, 10:29:11 PM »

Shua-  If you want to debate the bill, you should call for the vote to stop and reopen debate.
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« Reply #174 on: August 28, 2011, 10:30:23 PM »

I really am confused about this. Whatever happened to the President's proposal to have all forces leave Afghanistan by June 1?
As far as restricting the forces there after May 1 to training, we shouldn't kid ourselves. That doesn't mean they won't be in combat. As long as they are in Afghanistan, they will be targeted. And isn't Winter the training season anyway?

May 1st is better than June 1st...the President is responsible for ensuring the safety of the small training force in Kabul.
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