Should the DNC replace Harris with another running mate?

[ꙮ]

Biden is not dropping out and was never going to drop out. Here's another helpful list of things which will not happen, which I'm sure Atlasians will nonetheless discuss as though they are real possibilities:

A contested convention
A cancelled/virtual convention
Replacing the incumbent VP
A third party candidate winning a state
A House contingent election (This is probably the most likely of the bunch. It still will not happen.)

The last time a VP was replaced for re-election to a second term was in the late 1800s. It is not going to happen. Every time somebody suggests replacing the VP as if it’s a realistic possibility, a puppy dies.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It's too late

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

The fact that replacing Harris as well as Joe dropping out have been constant themes in here and elsewhere just shows how pathetic of a ticket Biden/Harris really is. Very weak. People don’t want either.

[The Mikado]

Atlas 2004: constant "Will Bush drop Cheney" threads (I wasn't here yet but I've seen the threads)
Atlas 2012: constant "Will Obama drop Biden" threads
Atlas 2020: constant "Will Trump drop Pence" threads
Atlas2024: constant: "Will Biden drop Harris" threads

Presidents don't drop their VPs, people. Gerald Ford is the only exception in living memory and the only reason he picked Rocky as his VP in the first place was he needed someone a near-supermajority Dem Congress would confirm.

[Open Source Intelligence]

Biden is not dropping out and was never going to drop out. Here's another helpful list of things which will not happen, which I'm sure Atlasians will nonetheless discuss as though they are real possibilities:

A contested convention
A cancelled/virtual convention
Replacing the incumbent VP
A third party candidate winning a state
A House contingent election (This is probably the most likely of the bunch. It still will not happen.)

The last time a VP was replaced for re-election to a second term was in the late 1800s. It is not going to happen. Every time somebody suggests replacing the VP as if it’s a realistic possibility, a puppy dies.

What a cute phrasing of things to remove the 3 times the VP was replaced in this past century.

1976 - Nelson Rockefeller removed and replaced with Bob Dole
1940 - John Nance Garner removed and replaced with Henry Wallace (if you want to say Garner was not removed insofar as he ran for President himself, fine, that still leaves...
1944 - Henry Wallace removed and replaced with Harry Truman

It was also privately discussed in 2004 and possibly replacing Dick Cheney.

[ꙮ]

Biden is not dropping out and was never going to drop out. Here's another helpful list of things which will not happen, which I'm sure Atlasians will nonetheless discuss as though they are real possibilities:

A contested convention
A cancelled/virtual convention
Replacing the incumbent VP
A third party candidate winning a state
A House contingent election (This is probably the most likely of the bunch. It still will not happen.)

The last time a VP was replaced for re-election to a second term was in the late 1800s. It is not going to happen. Every time somebody suggests replacing the VP as if it’s a realistic possibility, a puppy dies.

What a cute phrasing of things to remove the 3 times the VP was replaced in this past century.

1976 - Nelson Rockefeller removed and replaced with Bob Dole
1940 - John Nance Garner removed and replaced with Henry Wallace (if you want to say Garner was not removed insofar as he ran for President himself, fine, that still leaves...
1944 - Henry Wallace removed and replaced with Harry Truman

It was also privately discussed in 2004 and possibly replacing Dick Cheney.

It’s not “cute phrasing” to not count Rockefeller. He was the 25th amendment replacement VP to a replacement president. He was never on a ticket in the first place. He was an obvious placeholder pick.

Admittedly FDR is a more reasonable objection, but even then only 1944 counts. Garner clearly had no interest in remaining VP given he ran against Roosevelt, as you point out.

Wallace->Truman is the only VP replacement that really counts, "cute phrasing" aside.


I don’t believe for a second that there was actually a chance of Cheney being removed in 2004. People have allegedly “privately discussed” replacing every VP, but it never actually happens. The last time it was even a serious possibility (excluding the previously mentioned Agnew->Ford->Rockefeller->Dole shuffle 72-76) was Nixon in 56.

[The Mikado]

Biden is not dropping out and was never going to drop out. Here's another helpful list of things which will not happen, which I'm sure Atlasians will nonetheless discuss as though they are real possibilities:

A contested convention
A cancelled/virtual convention
Replacing the incumbent VP
A third party candidate winning a state
A House contingent election (This is probably the most likely of the bunch. It still will not happen.)

The last time a VP was replaced for re-election to a second term was in the late 1800s. It is not going to happen. Every time somebody suggests replacing the VP as if it’s a realistic possibility, a puppy dies.

What a cute phrasing of things to remove the 3 times the VP was replaced in this past century.

1976 - Nelson Rockefeller removed and replaced with Bob Dole
1940 - John Nance Garner removed and replaced with Henry Wallace (if you want to say Garner was not removed insofar as he ran for President himself, fine, that still leaves...
1944 - Henry Wallace removed and replaced with Harry Truman

It was also privately discussed in 2004 and possibly replacing Dick Cheney.

It’s not “cute phrasing” to not count Rockefeller. He was the 25th amendment replacement VP to a replacement president. He was never on a ticket in the first place. He was an obvious placeholder pick.

Admittedly FDR is a more reasonable objection, but even then only 1944 counts. Garner clearly had no interest in remaining VP given he ran against Roosevelt, as you point out.

Wallace->Truman is the only VP replacement that really counts, "cute phrasing" aside.


I don’t believe for a second that there was actually a chance of Cheney being removed in 2004. People have allegedly “privately discussed” replacing every VP, but it never actually happens. The last time it was even a serious possibility (excluding the previously mentioned Agnew->Ford->Rockefeller->Dole shuffle 72-76) was Nixon in 56.

The 1976 thing, as I mentioned, gets at the problem that Congress would've never approved Dole or someone similar as Ford's VP in the first place. Rockefeller wasn't the VP Ford wanted and certainly wasn't one the GOP as a whole wanted.

[Vern]

Harris isn’t a bad person or unlikable. I just think she isn’t good at public speaking. IMO.

[Schiff for Senate]

Harris isn’t a bad person or unlikable. I just think she isn’t good at public speaking. IMO.

This. To answer to question, no, and they aren't going to. Even if she is a bit of an embarrassment, by no means is she scandal-plagued or toxic enough to warrant being thrown off. Pushing her off would enrage black women or wtv group supports Harris (unless Biden replaces Harris with another black woman - I'm not sure who he might pick) and it would be like admitting and acknowledging an issue that does not actually exist (it's mainly just a GOP narrative used to sow seeds of discontent). It would definitely give Harris more importance and attention than she currently has, which is bad - the campaign needs to be only about a.) Biden's positive achievements and b.) what a terrible threat to democracy Trump is.

[TechbroMBA]

I don't believe black or women voters love Harris. That was the gimmick you were told in the 2020 primaries, and it totally failed and she had to drop out before the primaries to not be embarrassed.

If you win black voters and women, you win Democratic primaries, period.

That said shoving her off the ticket, with no clear landing pad, will just look weak and desperate. If Joe had wanted to dump her he could have nominated her for the Supreme Court seat.

[MillennialModerate]

Yes, but they won't.

[TDAS04]

Of course not, and they obviously won’t.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I don't believe black or women voters love Harris. That was the gimmick you were told in the 2020 primaries, and it totally failed and she had to drop out before the primaries to not be embarrassed.

If you win black voters and women, you win Democratic primaries, period.

That said shoving her off the ticket, with no clear landing pad, will just look weak and desperate. If Joe had wanted to dump her he could have nominated her for the Supreme Court seat.

She won in 2o and beat Mike Pence in debate, the problem is inflation we haven't had inflation since the 70s what is Trump cure give more tax cuts to rich people

[DPKdebator]

I'm no fan of Harris, but replacing a VP (bar some massive scandal) is very bad optics.

[SWE]

With who? Someone who just fell out of a coconut tree?

[MillennialModerate]

I can see how it would be spun as bad optics because the reasoning would be obvious but to me it would show he’s taking the voters concerns seriously. I think he’s keeping her because he’s afraid to piss off a key voting block (AA women) … Although Keisha Lance Bottoms was the choice he should have gone with if that was a concern.

As we know switching VP’s - although not common of late - is not unheard of
FDR switched 2 times (Garner, Wallace, Truman)
President Kennedy was considering getting rid of Lyndon Johnson.
Gerald Ford switched to Dole

[ClassicElectionEnthusiast]

I don’t believe for a second that there was actually a chance of Cheney being removed in 2004. People have allegedly “privately discussed” replacing every VP, but it never actually happens. The last time it was even a serious possibility (excluding the previously mentioned Agnew->Ford->Rockefeller->Dole shuffle 72-76) was Nixon in 56.

The only other possible example (and only instance in my 37 years) was there being speculation briefly that Dan Quayle might have been dropped in 1992 following the "Murphy Brown"/"potatoe" incidents. Even then, that rumor was quickly quashed (probably because it seemed that Bush 41 would have alienated more conservatives than he already had with the breaking of his pledge not to raise taxes).

[Vice President Christian Man]

Harris isn’t a bad person or unlikable. I just think she isn’t good at public speaking. IMO.

Her record as DA & AG begs to differ. To apologize and/or admit wrongdoing would be one thing, but they swept it under the rug and gaslit people who had an objection.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

No

[Devils30]

Whitmer replacing Harris would boost Biden a few points once voters see a competent, well-spoken potential future President.

But the social justice mob won't allow it. They are determined to run with Harris and use her loss to prove America is a racist country.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Whitmer replacing Harris would boost Biden a few points once voters see a competent, well-spoken potential future President.

But the social justice mob won't allow it. They are determined to run with Harris and use her loss to prove America is a racist country.

Whitmer is staying Gov until 26 and Biden is doing all right in polls in MI

[Devils30]

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Whitmer replacing Harris would boost Biden a few points once voters see a competent, well-spoken potential future President.

But the social justice mob won't allow it. They are determined to run with Harris and use her loss to prove America is a racist country.

Whitmer is staying Gov until 26 and Biden is doing all right in polls in MI

My issue with Harris is in terms of support and ideology, she really runs more in the Elizabeth Warren lane than the Obama lane. Her base is more elite educated college whites and a focus on gender identity issues as opposed to cost of living, economics. While certainly not in the Sanders lane that these college protestors are in, her ideology just does not appeal to very many people, including very few working class non-whites.

Whitmer OTOH has amassed a very deep coalition in both her victories that keeps 100% of Biden 2020 supporters and further expands the coalition.

[All Along The Watchtower]

How?

[ReaganLimbaugh]

If they know what's good for them they will. But I hope she stays on the ticket as it increases the chance Trump will win.