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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2018, 07:33:27 PM »

Why does everyone think Booker is a bad candidate


He has a much better chance of winning than Kamala Harris , Kristen Gilibrand , Elizabeth Warren do

His ties to Big Pharma and his working with Betsy DeVos when he was Mayor of Newark to try and push charter schools would depress turnout from the base, as would his criticizing Obama for attacking Romney's record at Bain. Harris, Gilibrand, and especially Warren don't have those kinds of issues.
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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2018, 08:38:10 PM »

Bernie Sanders and an independent Kasich, who would lead to a reelected Trump
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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2018, 09:24:14 PM »

Bernie Sanders and an independent Kasich, who would lead to a reelected Trump

No Democrat would vote Kasich over Bernie.
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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2018, 01:18:37 PM »

Bernie Sanders and an independent Kasich, who would lead to a reelected Trump

No Democrat would vote Kasich over Bernie.
Yes, yes they would. Many moderate democratic voters would be more in league with Kasich than Sanders. Believe it or not, some deomocrats aren't socialists and would have real trouble voting for a socialist.
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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2018, 01:23:21 PM »

Bernie Sanders and an independent Kasich, who would lead to a reelected Trump

No Democrat would vote Kasich over Bernie.
Yes, yes they would. Many moderate democratic voters would be more in league with Kasich than Sanders. Believe it or not, some deomocrats aren't socialists and would have real trouble voting for a socialist.

But they'd take Bernie Sanders over risking 4 more years of Donald Trump.
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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2018, 02:16:18 PM »

Bernie Sanders and an independent Kasich, who would lead to a reelected Trump

No Democrat would vote Kasich over Bernie.
Yes, yes they would. Many moderate democratic voters would be more in league with Kasich than Sanders. Believe it or not, some deomocrats aren't socialists and would have real trouble voting for a socialist.

But they'd take Bernie Sanders over risking 4 more years of Donald Trump.
Just like how moderate Mormon republicans wouldn't risk 4 years of Hillary Clinton and so they all voted for Trump? No.
Some democrats would prefer a Republican like Trump to an open Marxist, just as some republicans would prefer a democrat to an ultraconservative like Ted Cruz. Sanders can never hold onto 100% of the democratic base, and expecting him to do so isn't realistic.
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« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2018, 05:28:56 PM »

I don't think there is any Democrat who would hand the election to Trump -- they're all viable candidates for making it at least a close contest.
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« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2018, 09:06:33 AM »

Update: Andrew Cuomo, Terry McAuliffe, John Delaney.
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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2018, 10:37:25 AM »

Nobody that could win the Democratic nomination would automatically hand the election to Trump. Maybe Keith Ellison, but he won't run and even if he did he wouldn't come close to winning the election. Even Cuomo would win more than 27% of non college grad whites because Trump probably pissed some of them off. And someone like Cuomo would probably do even better than Hillary with college grad whites. Even if that's not enough, you always have the demographics that favour Democrats. Only Ellison or some Starbucks/Hollywood billionaire that turns out to be a tax evader could hand the election to Trump.

Anyway, I don't think running a hard-left candidate is the only thing Dems can do to win the WWC back. First of all 61% of the WWC already voted for Romney so there isn't a huge amount of non college grad whites to be won. Most of them aren't even that poor. And I think substance, prioritizing their issues (which isn't necessarily seizing the means of production lol) and generally not being condescending to them is very important. Moderate Joe Biden would do much better with the WWC than someone who runs on a Bernie platform but treats them as if they're rednecks who don't know what's best for them.

Trump has a good chance if he stops doing stupid things by the way. But he isn't going to stop doing stupid things.
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« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2018, 12:44:40 AM »

The Zucc would do it, but thankfully his political prospects are almost surely dead.
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« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2018, 12:46:46 AM »

The Zucc would do it, but thankfully his political prospects are almost surely dead.

Yep. He doesn't have the personality for a president. Trump for all his faults is entertaining. Zukelburg has a needy vibe to him.
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« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2018, 11:52:29 PM »

Bernie Sanders and an independent Kasich, who would lead to a reelected Trump

No Democrat would vote Kasich over Bernie.
Yes, yes they would. Many moderate democratic voters would be more in league with Kasich than Sanders. Believe it or not, some deomocrats aren't socialists and would have real trouble voting for a socialist.

But they'd take Bernie Sanders over risking 4 more years of Donald Trump.
Just like how moderate Mormon republicans wouldn't risk 4 years of Hillary Clinton and so they all voted for Trump? No.
Some democrats would prefer a Republican like Trump to an open Marxist, just as some republicans would prefer a democrat to an ultraconservative like Ted Cruz. Sanders can never hold onto 100% of the democratic base, and expecting him to do so isn't realistic.

The thing is though, despite what the media says, Kasich is no moderate. He was one of Gingrich's minions in the '90's, he went after the unions in his state, and is pretty hard right on abortion. I think enough Democrats would look past that "I'm a reasonable moderate" sales pitch he's been pushing since 2016 and come to the conclusion that he's pretty right wing, and thus not vote for him. His support would still more likely come at the expense of Trump, even if Bernie is the nominee.
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« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2018, 11:55:00 PM »

Bernie Sanders and an independent Kasich, who would lead to a reelected Trump

No Democrat would vote Kasich over Bernie.
Yes, yes they would. Many moderate democratic voters would be more in league with Kasich than Sanders. Believe it or not, some deomocrats aren't socialists and would have real trouble voting for a socialist.

But they'd take Bernie Sanders over risking 4 more years of Donald Trump.
Just like how moderate Mormon republicans wouldn't risk 4 years of Hillary Clinton and so they all voted for Trump? No.
Some democrats would prefer a Republican like Trump to an open Marxist, just as some republicans would prefer a democrat to an ultraconservative like Ted Cruz. Sanders can never hold onto 100% of the democratic base, and expecting him to do so isn't realistic.

The thing is though, despite what the media says, Kasich is no moderate. He was one of Gingrich's minions in the '90's, he went after the unions in his state, and is pretty hard right on abortion. I think enough Democrats would look past that "I'm a reasonable moderate" sales pitch he's been pushing since 2016 and come to the conclusion that he's pretty right wing, and thus not vote for him. His support would still more likely come at the expense of Trump, even if Bernie is the nominee.
Kasich isn't right-wing on abortion. Abortion isn't a left-wing or right-wing issue.
Unions though...
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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2018, 12:17:53 AM »

Cuomo, Zuckerberg or McAullife would all be horrendous candidates.
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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2018, 03:32:44 PM »

Elizabeth Warren.

Not trolling, I actually think this. I love her as my Senator but Trump would do an even better job negatively portraying her than he did with Hillary.

Agree with this 100%.

Cuomo, McAuliffe, Booker - duh

Warren - She would never recover from the Native American thing

Agree with 75% of this. Cuomo could win.

Anybody but Booker or Joe Kennedy III who would defeat Trump with Tim Ryan.

Uhhhh you serious? I know I’m a Kennedy loyalist but this opinion has more to do with the fact I think Trump is a joke, very beatable and Joe Kennedy is a good or at minimum good enough to not only NOT hand him the election but good enough to even beat Trump.
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« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2018, 03:38:00 PM »

An establishment machine Democrat who has nothing new to offer, like Cuomo or Gillibrand. I think the Democrats are better off running Warren even though she has a high chance of losing too.
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« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2018, 09:06:59 PM »

Gillibrand,  Harris and Booker are electable
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« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2018, 11:30:17 PM »

Funny thing is both in 2005 and 2013 if you said who the nominee of the Democrats(in 2008) and Republicans were(in 2016) they would have said then the Republican is guaranteed to win.



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« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2018, 09:59:53 AM »

In 2020? Hillary Clinton would probably lose again, as would some joke candidates like Nina Turner or Mark Zuckerberg. Maybe someone too controversial as well, like JB Pritzker (not that I think he'll run). Not sure about the rich business dudes like Howard Schultz or Bob Iger. Bill Gates, however, would be a formidable contender.

Gillibrand and Cuomo are electable.
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