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Question: What do you say ?
#1
Yeah, let Germany manage the Greek budget
 
#2
Yeah, let the EU manage the Greek budget
 
#3
No
 
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Insula Dei
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« on: January 30, 2012, 09:56:12 AM »

Anyone who claims the EU is a threat to national soverignty is a nationalist scare-mongerer who has read too may British tabloids /everyone about 5 years ago

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Well, clearly the threat here is Germany, rather than the EU. The real story of the crisis is one of Germany and France behaving as if the union is just an extension of their own national sovereignty. Merkozy is the thing you ought to be railing against Gustaf, not the European Institutions, which are too weak to act on their own.
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Insula Dei
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2012, 08:59:25 AM »

Anyone who claims the EU is a threat to national soverignty is a nationalist scare-mongerer who has read too may British tabloids /everyone about 5 years ago

Wink

Well, clearly the threat here is Germany, rather than the EU. The real story of the crisis is one of Germany and France behaving as if the union is just an extension of their own national sovereignty. Merkozy is the thing you ought to be railing against Gustaf, not the European Institutions, which are too weak to act on their own.

They couldn't do this without the EU (and they wouldn't because there would be no reason). I prefer to deal in realities of what the EU actually is rather than in ideals of what it would be in my fantasy-land. Tongue

Trying to look at what goes wrong and from there formulating goals for the future (i.e. strengthenin' the common institution at the expense of the influence of the larger member states) isn't constructing a fantasy land.
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Insula Dei
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2012, 09:41:52 AM »

Anyone who claims the EU is a threat to national soverignty is a nationalist scare-mongerer who has read too may British tabloids /everyone about 5 years ago

Wink

Well, clearly the threat here is Germany, rather than the EU. The real story of the crisis is one of Germany and France behaving as if the union is just an extension of their own national sovereignty. Merkozy is the thing you ought to be railing against Gustaf, not the European Institutions, which are too weak to act on their own.

They couldn't do this without the EU (and they wouldn't because there would be no reason). I prefer to deal in realities of what the EU actually is rather than in ideals of what it would be in my fantasy-land. Tongue

Trying to look at what goes wrong and from there formulating goals for the future (i.e. strengthenin' the common institution at the expense of the influence of the larger member states) isn't constructing a fantasy land.

But the EU, as it is, is this. It's not as if there is another EU out there where France and Germany do not call the shots. Nor is such an entity particularly feasible.


The US, as it is, is as it is now. It's not as if there's some US out there that doesn't run massive deficits, assures all of its citizens affordable healthcaren and has outlawed the death penalty. Nor is such an entity entirely feasible. It'd be better if we just disbanded the US.

I really don't get what point you're trying to make. I'm not claiming the EU isn't what it is, I'm claiming it has the possibility to be so much more than it is, which is the fundamental aspiration of all politics. (Except maybe for the reactionary variant).
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