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« on: December 07, 2019, 11:17:43 PM »

God help us if this moron gets the nomination

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Joe Biden is worried the Republican Party might get 'clobbered.'

"It’s not like there’s going to be some great epiphany and people are going to wake up and go, 'oh my God, I'm now a Democrat.' And if you hear people on the rope line saying, ‘I'm a Republican,’ I say, ‘Stay a Republican.’ Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."

He later added that he's concerned about what would happen if the Republican Party was totally "clobbered."

"I'm really worried that no party should have too much power," he said. "You need a countervailing force."

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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2019, 01:31:58 AM »

God help us if this moron gets the nomination

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Joe Biden is worried the Republican Party might get 'clobbered.'

"It’s not like there’s going to be some great epiphany and people are going to wake up and go, 'oh my God, I'm now a Democrat.' And if you hear people on the rope line saying, ‘I'm a Republican,’ I say, ‘Stay a Republican.’ Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."

He later added that he's concerned about what would happen if the Republican Party was totally "clobbered."

"I'm really worried that no party should have too much power," he said. "You need a countervailing force."


Ugh, yet another terrible statement from Biden. Republicans need to be clobbered, only if they keep getting clobbered is there any hope of them returning to some level of sanity.

Imagine in 1932 if FDR said "don't clobber the GOP....the Great  Depression is the result of #BothSides.....we need more Republicans in Congress to moderate the New Deal"
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2019, 10:23:40 PM »

Joe Biden thinking that the Republicans don’t deserve to be taught a lesson for their embrace of a proto-fascist because he thinks politics has to be nice and fair is downright embarrassing. This is the same guy who gave a eulogy for Strom Thurmond and proudly proclaimed that Delaware was a slave state. He’s a joke of a candidate if he truly believes what he said.

In all fairness....he was saying the same thing about the GOP during Watergate back in 1973:







Also....let's not forget....Watergate was actually #BothSides fault:



But dont worry....this time it'll be different! Uncle Joe is just pretending to be for bipartisanship.
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2019, 11:27:06 PM »

I have zero interest in a Biden Presidency with a Republican senate that will inevitably block every single one of his appointments no matter what, even as he bends back over heels to cater to them. Hopefully enough Democrats agree with me for it not have to come to to a choice of lesser evils.
Unfortunately a lot of people buy this type of stuff, especially considering those voting for Biden like him due to him being moderate and associated with Obama.

There’s a big difference between catering to right-leaning voters and catering to an openly hostile Congressional GOP. Look at JBE for how to successfully do the former without being stupid enough to do the latter like Biden wants to.

I will do my part and hope that in the event Biden is unfortunately the nominee that he does just well enough for Democrats to make gains in Congress and the Senate while still barely losing overall. A Trump second-term with a looming six-year itch Election would do far more to advance the Progressive agenda than anything Biden would be able or willing to do.

IMO, a Biden presidency would be similar to if John Kerry had won in 2004: The Congress would of stayed in GOP hands blocking any legislation and Kerry would of been clobbered in 2008 over the recession leading to a landslide for the GOP.

I can't see anything good coming out of Biden winning particularly if the Senate doesnt flip and/or RBG passes and is replaced by Trump. The GOP will obstruct him while he begs for bipartisanship, followed by the inevitable Dem losses in the midterms like in 1994 and 2010. The GOP Congress will then vote to impeach him for the Ukraine scandal and then he loses in 2024.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2019, 12:37:03 AM »

You people saying you wouldn't support Biden in the general, because your fantasy of a Trump second term is preferable to your strawman of a Biden presidency, are idiots.

Absolute.  F***ing.  Idiots.

You don't deserve the right to vote.  You are too stupid to participate in democracy.

We dont deserve the right to vote if we dont vote for who you tell us to vote for? How is that democracy? Great logic you imbicile
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2019, 03:20:22 AM »

You people saying you wouldn't support Biden in the general, because your fantasy of a Trump second term is preferable to your strawman of a Biden presidency, are idiots.

Absolute.  F***ing.  Idiots.

You don't deserve the right to vote.  You are too stupid to participate in democracy.

We dont deserve the right to vote if we dont vote for who you tell us to vote for? How is that democracy? Great logic you imbicile

We don't let children vote, because they are incapable of logical thinking or reasoning about the future with any semblance of maturity or rationality.

If you call yourself a progressive, but would vote for Trump over Biden (or help Trump in some other way, by voting third party of staying home), and your reasoning is something utterly asinine like


I'm not voting for Trump and if Biden is the nominee....I will write in olawakandi
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2019, 12:00:00 PM »

Biden (and Pete) released his governing strategy plans today and you guessed it: bipartisanship will help him pass his agenda!



That's right...so go vote GOP in Congressional races as they are clamoring to help Biden govern. But remember guys....Med4all is the real pie in the sky fantasy
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2019, 04:58:13 PM »

Biden (and Pete) released his governing strategy plans today and you guessed it: bipartisanship will help him pass his agenda!
The sad part is that this is what voters want. I forgot the exact numbers but it was either a plurality or a bare majority of Democrats wanted the nominee to be someone who will work with Republicans. Voters are naive or plain willfully ignorant about how bloody politics is. But Joe is giving them what they want.

It's going to be him and we need to elect as many Democrats to pad/create the majority as possible.

Tbh, i feel the 2020 Dem primaries will end in one of two ways:

1) Like 2004 where Biden like John Kerry sweeps it up fairly quickly

-or-

2) Like 1988 where Biden, like Jesse Jackson, has most of his wins contained within the South while Sanders or Warren sweep the rest like Dukkakis and get the nomination.

I'm still hoping for the second scenario.
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2019, 05:15:23 PM »


And then get swept in November in a 40 state landslide?

Yes because the results of 1972/1980/1984/1988 will repeat forever until the end of time. Nobody can do anything about it unless someone moderate is nominated. The prophecies have been foretold in Nostradamus's quatrains combined with the newspaper horoscopes: No one left will ever get elected as voters fear Secular Gemini entering the galaxy plane of Uranus Scorpio which means 2020 will be like 1988 as Dump will run ads featuring Willie Horton
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2019, 07:38:29 PM »

How Trump has given Biden a major campaign boost

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After three years of his chaotic presidency, President Donald Trump has made nostalgia a big, bold idea among Democrats. This is one of the secrets to former Vice President Joe Biden's ongoing success in the polls. The President, with the full support of his party in Congress, has pushed politics so far off-kilter that Americans are desperately yearning for normalcy in the Oval Office.
On paper, Biden is not offering anything very dramatic. He himself embodies an older vision of the Democratic Party, in contrast to the slate of women, African Americans and Latinos who have made inroads in both the presidential race and in Congress. While his campaign has put forward a series of policy promises that aim to expand on President Barack Obama's domestic record, he often talks about a return to some kind of better past.
Biden has called for Democrats and Republicans to work together again. During the debate this week, he said that while he has "no love" for Republicans who attacked his family, "the fact is, we have to be able to get things done." Biden has frequently repeated a key tenet of his campaign: "We're in a battle for the soul of America." In doing so, he often talks about traditional American values that he respects and would champion as commander-in-chief. Even his "no malarkey" bus tour, which has been thoroughly mocked by younger generations, takes us back in time with the use of outdated slang.
Progressive critics point out that these promises evoke a past that no longer exists (and in many cases, never existed) and thus misleads voters into thinking that our country is in better shape than it is. His calls for bipartisanship, for instance, have rightly been met with deep skepticism given the radical outlook of a GOP that hasn't shown any interest in reaching across the aisle for several decades. Biden appeals to our better angels, but the Trump era has shown that those angels are too often absent from our polity.
But the criticism isn't undercutting Biden as much as it might in different times. And the reason is the President. Trump has blown up an already volatile political atmosphere with the way he governs. His vitriolic tweets, his aggressive use and abuse of presidential power, his punitive policies, his smashmouth attacks on opponents and his total disregard for the conventions and norms of Washington have created a toxic atmosphere where everything feels upended. To many Democrats, the nation is in a true state of crisis.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/21/opinions/trump-campaign-boost-for-biden-return-to-normalcy-zelizer/index.html

Yes....Biden leads in the polls not because of the demographic makeup of the primary voting electorate but because the voters hunger for bipartisanship and moderation which is something that the electorate is always thinking about. They can never get enough of that moderate-ism except when they voted for a guy like Trump who promised to build a wall, bring jobs back, and soak bullets in pigs blood before shooting Muslim terrorists. All moderate viewpoints compared to the extreme left wing insanity of universal healthcare (which has existed in Germany since Bismarck) and free college (which was the norm in the US up until the 80s).
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2019, 07:57:39 PM »

How Trump has given Biden a major campaign boost

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After three years of his chaotic presidency, President Donald Trump has made nostalgia a big, bold idea among Democrats. This is one of the secrets to former Vice President Joe Biden's ongoing success in the polls. The President, with the full support of his party in Congress, has pushed politics so far off-kilter that Americans are desperately yearning for normalcy in the Oval Office.
On paper, Biden is not offering anything very dramatic. He himself embodies an older vision of the Democratic Party, in contrast to the slate of women, African Americans and Latinos who have made inroads in both the presidential race and in Congress. While his campaign has put forward a series of policy promises that aim to expand on President Barack Obama's domestic record, he often talks about a return to some kind of better past.
Biden has called for Democrats and Republicans to work together again. During the debate this week, he said that while he has "no love" for Republicans who attacked his family, "the fact is, we have to be able to get things done." Biden has frequently repeated a key tenet of his campaign: "We're in a battle for the soul of America." In doing so, he often talks about traditional American values that he respects and would champion as commander-in-chief. Even his "no malarkey" bus tour, which has been thoroughly mocked by younger generations, takes us back in time with the use of outdated slang.
Progressive critics point out that these promises evoke a past that no longer exists (and in many cases, never existed) and thus misleads voters into thinking that our country is in better shape than it is. His calls for bipartisanship, for instance, have rightly been met with deep skepticism given the radical outlook of a GOP that hasn't shown any interest in reaching across the aisle for several decades. Biden appeals to our better angels, but the Trump era has shown that those angels are too often absent from our polity.
But the criticism isn't undercutting Biden as much as it might in different times. And the reason is the President. Trump has blown up an already volatile political atmosphere with the way he governs. His vitriolic tweets, his aggressive use and abuse of presidential power, his punitive policies, his smashmouth attacks on opponents and his total disregard for the conventions and norms of Washington have created a toxic atmosphere where everything feels upended. To many Democrats, the nation is in a true state of crisis.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/21/opinions/trump-campaign-boost-for-biden-return-to-normalcy-zelizer/index.html

Yes....Biden leads in the polls not because of the demographic makeup of the primary voting electorate but because the voters hunger for bipartisanship and moderation which is something that the electorate is always thinking about. They can never get enough of that moderate-ism except when they voted for a guy like Trump who promised to build a wall, bring jobs back, and soak bullets in pigs blood before shooting Muslim terrorists. All moderate viewpoints compared to the extreme left wing insanity of universal healthcare (which has existed in Germany since Bismarck) and free college (which was the norm in the US up until the 80s).
I do not disagree with the point in general, but comparing the republican electorate to the democratic electorate is just dumb.

I was talking more about the general election electorate than the primary electorate. Apparently the same people who voted for Trump in the GE of 2016 saw him as the moderate compared to Hillary Clinton whose entire campaign was dictated by consultants, pollsters, and strategists who live and breath being a moderate.is the key to electoral success
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2019, 08:02:56 PM »

Joe’s team has been ON IT with his ads lately. I bet their research is telling them what I’ve seen in South Carolina. Voters are tired of Bernie’s purity tests and nitpicking over policies that will be dead if McConnell controls the Senate. They just want Trump’s ass out. One of the main reasons Kamala abandoned attacks on Biden and focused squarely on Trump during the last months of her camapign:



LOL at thinking Biden will get some sort of bipartisan support in the Senate, how many Republicans voted for Obamacare? This ad is what you get when you actually don't have your own policies, so you have to go against opponent which isn't even his opponent yet. It reminds me of Hillary strategy to go for a win in AZ or GA and not to WI and MI. So, Biden's message is I'm not Trump and I'm not Bernie. Great stuff, it's gonna excite so many people to hand him a win in November. Bernie is on the other way ineluctable cause we tried his way in 2016 and failed. Wait.. No, he's ineluctable and will get nothing done, yet Obama and Biden did so much with a Republican Senate and a House, they confirmed so many judges and passed bold progressive laws and didn't deport immigrants at a record pace, and didn't do drone strikes at a record pace. Actually, Obama and Biden and their centrism gave us 75yr old socialist from Vermont as an almost nominee and a racist complete moron with zero experience who has the best words as a president. Good luck electing Biden in 2020. In 2024 Adolf Hitler reincarnated will probably get elected after him.

Under the "extremist" Republican Tea party...the Dems were reduced to what....6 trifecta in state government after 2016? Under "moderate" Dems like Bill Clinton....the GOP ended 6 decades of almost uninterrupted House rule by the Democratic party which has existed since New Deal days. But Atlas keeps relentlessly jerking off about how we need a "moderate" Dem like Biden to win.

It's almost become comical at this point how the GOP can shift as far right as it wants and win ever increasing majorities but meanwhile the ghost of McGovern and Jimmy Carter forever haunt leftism and is the reason why Dems cant nominate a leftist.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2019, 08:22:34 PM »

Joe’s team has been ON IT with his ads lately. I bet their research is telling them what I’ve seen in South Carolina. Voters are tired of Bernie’s purity tests and nitpicking over policies that will be dead if McConnell controls the Senate. They just want Trump’s ass out. One of the main reasons Kamala abandoned attacks on Biden and focused squarely on Trump during the last months of her camapign:



LOL at thinking Biden will get some sort of bipartisan support in the Senate, how many Republicans voted for Obamacare? This ad is what you get when you actually don't have your own policies, so you have to go against opponent which isn't even his opponent yet. It reminds me of Hillary strategy to go for a win in AZ or GA and not to WI and MI. So, Biden's message is I'm not Trump and I'm not Bernie. Great stuff, it's gonna excite so many people to hand him a win in November. Bernie is on the other way ineluctable cause we tried his way in 2016 and failed. Wait.. No, he's ineluctable and will get nothing done, yet Obama and Biden did so much with a Republican Senate and a House, they confirmed so many judges and passed bold progressive laws and didn't deport immigrants at a record pace, and didn't do drone strikes at a record pace. Actually, Obama and Biden and their centrism gave us 75yr old socialist from Vermont as an almost nominee and a racist complete moron with zero experience who has the best words as a president. Good luck electing Biden in 2020. In 2024 Adolf Hitler reincarnated will probably get elected after him.

Under the "extremist" Republican Tea party...the Dems were reduced to what....6 trifecta in state government after 2016? Under "moderate" Dems like Bill Clinton....the GOP ended 6 decades of almost uninterrupted House rule by the Democratic party which has existed since New Deal days. But Atlas keeps relentlessly jerking off about how we need a "moderate" Dem like Biden to win.

It's almost become comical at this point how the GOP can shift as far right as it wants and win ever increasing majorities but meanwhile the ghost of McGovern and Jimmy Carter forever haunt leftism and is the reason why Dems cant nominate a leftist.
Bernie Sanders is just an insufferable c-nt.

And I don’t think a leftist candidate would automatically lose I’m just saying Democratic primary voters don’t give a f-ck about Bernie and his looney purity tests. And they don’t. I’ve talked to hundreds of voters in S.C. volunteering for Warren and Harris at different points. They just want Trump out. Nitpicking over Medicare for All or a public option is not what they’re doing......


My argument is that Bidens "moderation" makes no difference in the General Election against Trump. Whether Biden or Sanders gets the Dem nomination is irrelevant to the election outcome. If Biden ends up losing then so would of Sanders and vice versa.

I just cant stand this argument that the Dem candidate must forever be a moderate becuz McGovern while right wing loons go off the spectrum and keep winning ever increasing majorities
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2019, 01:08:17 AM »

Biden reveals deep bench of campaign bundlers
The former vice president's list of fundraisers includes many of the biggest names in Democratic fundraising.

Big money in politics is bad....unless they contribute to Dem WWC candidate man Biden then it is okay. Biden may be relying on big money and demographics he helped to jail, but that's not because their's no excitment among  his low energy candidacy, but because the grassroots who matter to the Dem party around election day, will not heed to the establishment which means they are racist
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2019, 02:48:07 PM »

Exciting stuff folks

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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2020, 08:32:55 PM »

Non-Biden fan here. There is no debate about his electability with the public. Look who is wining the Southern Black vote to see for themselves.



Yes....if Joe Biden didn't show up for Doug Jones....he would of lost. Just the mere sight of Joe Biden next to a candidate is enough to help elect them anywhere at all times. Just ask Fred Upton
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2020, 10:16:23 PM »

Biden is playing the anti-war card.



Lol. Imagine voting for the Iraq War and having the gall to say this shět
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2020, 10:33:06 PM »

Biden is playing the anti-war card.



Lol. Imagine voting for the Iraq War and having the gall to say this shět

Not defending the Iraq War vote, I was against it at the time too.  However, there was the whole lying about WMD's thing that the GWB did.  It was a different environment. 

Everyone knew Bush was lying and Biden probably, deep down , knew it too but he didn't care because this is a guy with no real principles or convictions who views politics as a 9 to 5 job where he just clocks in, goes through the motions, and then go clocks out and go home. People like Joe Biden have this Pavlovian need to be friends with and get along with everyone so any group in his coalition is a potential bargaining chip. He's convinced himself that he's some LBJ like figure who'll accomplish great feats with his 4 decades long and largely meaningless career in politics, to accomplish things via bipartisanship with an opposing political party that is launching investigations against him before he's even in office. (Back in the day....the GOP used to at least wait till Dems were in office till they launched phony investigations against them)

I dont blame Dems for supporting him because let's face it....even most Dem voters will abandon issues important to them in order to defeat the GOP and pretend they had an epiphany in order to justify it. It's been like that for the last 4 decades.
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2020, 11:05:55 PM »
« Edited: January 05, 2020, 11:11:13 PM by Mondale »

It's really telling that the leftists only have one line:  "Biden voted for the Iraq War."

They tried the same thing in 2016.  "Clinton voted for the Iraq War."  As if that's a debate-stopper and no one who voted for the Iraq War could have any other foreign policy views worth hearing.

It's super-insulting, not only because it assumes voters are dumb, but because it's a total mis-representation of history.  The AUMF was what allowed Bush to go into Iraq.  The Iraq War vote itself wasn't really a case of "if you vote no you can stop the war."  It was more of a show vote where the Bush administration argued that getting congressional approval for the war might force Saddam to surrender, or at least help secure a broader international coalition, either of which would help save American lives.  Since it was guaranteed to pass, some member of congress chose to use it as an opportunity to voice their disapproval of the war.  But their NO vote was meaningless virtue signaling.

By the way I thought it was insulting in 2008 when Obama did it to Clinton as well.  "So-and-so voted for the Iraq War" is a cheap-shot candidates keep using as a shield to avoid having a real foreign policy debate.  It's been 17 years now and it's time to grow up.  Most Sanders supporters were still in diapers when the Iraq War vote happened.

Your put more thought into your response than Biden does on how he voted in the Senate regarding foreign policy. Rofl

The fact is that Biden is a charlatan with no real principles. Even most Dems on this site voting for him acknowledge that but they live forever in fear due to spooky McGovern and Mondale from elections past.
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2020, 11:15:30 PM »

It's really telling that the leftists only have one line:  "Biden voted for the Iraq War."

They tried the same thing in 2016.  "Clinton voted for the Iraq War."  As if that's a debate-stopper and no one who voted for the Iraq War could have any other foreign policy views worth hearing.

It's super-insulting, not only because it assumes voters are dumb, but because it's a total mis-representation of history.  The AUMF was what allowed Bush to go into Iraq.  The Iraq War vote itself wasn't really a case of "if you vote no you can stop the war."  It was more of a show vote where the Bush administration argued that getting congressional approval for the war might force Saddam to surrender, or at least help secure a broader international coalition, either of which would help save American lives.  Since it was guaranteed to pass, some member of congress chose to use it as an opportunity to voice their disapproval of the war.  But their NO vote was meaningless virtue signaling.

By the way I thought it was insulting in 2008 when Obama did it to Clinton as well.  "So-and-so voted for the Iraq War" is a cheap-shot candidates keep using as a shield to avoid having a real foreign policy debate.  It's been 17 years now and it's time to grow up.  Most Sanders supporters were still in diapers when the Iraq War vote happened.

Your put more thought into your response than Biden does on how he voted in the Senate regarding foreign policy. Rofl

Bro, he was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.


So what? Does that make him an all knowing sage with wisdom none of us can comprehend? Biden is just your standard no frills no principles politician. Hardly something to be surprised about. Washington is full of people like him. Just a gray supine bunch of people that no one will remember that all blend in with one another. No different than the businessman in the movie American Psycho comparing business cards.
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2020, 11:51:47 PM »

It's really telling that the leftists only have one line:  "Biden voted for the Iraq War."

They tried the same thing in 2016.  "Clinton voted for the Iraq War."  As if that's a debate-stopper and no one who voted for the Iraq War could have any other foreign policy views worth hearing.

It's super-insulting, not only because it assumes voters are dumb, but because it's a total mis-representation of history.  The AUMF was what allowed Bush to go into Iraq.  The Iraq War vote itself wasn't really a case of "if you vote no you can stop the war."  It was more of a show vote where the Bush administration argued that getting congressional approval for the war might force Saddam to surrender, or at least help secure a broader international coalition, either of which would help save American lives.  Since it was guaranteed to pass, some member of congress chose to use it as an opportunity to voice their disapproval of the war.  But their NO vote was meaningless virtue signaling.

By the way I thought it was insulting in 2008 when Obama did it to Clinton as well.  "So-and-so voted for the Iraq War" is a cheap-shot candidates keep using as a shield to avoid having a real foreign policy debate.  It's been 17 years now and it's time to grow up.  Most Sanders supporters were still in diapers when the Iraq War vote happened.

Your put more thought into your response than Biden does on how he voted in the Senate regarding foreign policy. Rofl

Bro, he was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.


So what? Does that make him an all knowing sage with wisdom none of us can comprehend? Biden is just your standard no frills no principles politician. Hardly something to be surprised about. Washington is full of people like him. Just a gray supine bunch of people that no one will remember that all blend in with one another. No different than the businessman in the movie American Psycho comparing business cards.

Oh yeah, I'm sure they made him chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and then he never put a second of thought into any of it.

https://www.cfr.org/election2020/candidate-tracker/joe-biden

I mean, totally clueless.  Clearly this is a man who has no idea what he's talking about.

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Yes....because history is not filled with examples of people in positions of power or intellect who were considered experts who weren't wrong about anything. Who can remember back in the 60s when the "best and the brightest" were put in charge of the Vietnam War and stunningly succeeded in defeating the Viet Cong. Who can remember back in the early 90s when big brain economists promised us that free trade agreements like NAFTA would not lead to manufacturing job losses?

The fact that a person is in a position of power or assumed expertise does not make them them some wise all knowing safe you fool. As a matter of fact, most experts are as dumb as people off the street.
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2020, 09:47:02 PM »



Lmao....Joe Biden's low intellect was calling for the Iraq War 5 years before it happened:

JOE BIDEN, FIVE YEARS BEFORE INVASION, SAID THE ONLY WAY OF DISARMING IRAQ IS “TAKING SADDAM DOWN”


Now he's trying to act like he's got something original to contribute to this fiasco we find ourselves in.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2020, 10:05:09 PM »


Excellent speech. My favorite part is when he moved his lips in conjunction with the vibrating noise in his larynx to assemble sounds which are recognized as words. His words were plentiful with a rich vocabulary known as speech and they connote deeper meanings in the form of assembled sentences and voters loves sentences because they speak sentences too. Biden also stood there and the American voters relate to a man who stands. With his 2 feet and standing ability... he stands tall. All day long, from the time they wake up, voters stand and Biden stands with them by standing tall via standing and voters love tall candidates who stand like they do.

Biden may be a simple man of low intellect but he knows how to sound tough and wave his hands like the body language experts he hires tell him to in order to prey upon peoples cognitive biases by looking tougher than you really are. Biden's speech is a reminder to all Americans that if you speak words, stand tall, and use body language then you too can be taken seriously on things you kno nothing about.
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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2020, 05:38:49 PM »

Lulz



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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2020, 04:47:50 PM »

I can't believe this guy isnt doing better

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