The General Election poll!

[Gustaf]

He provides that e-mail link......
We musn't ask him!  We will find out!

You're on your own, I'm not messing with the ADMINISTRATOR *backs away from computer, etc...*

[© tweed]

Neither am I.

[© tweed]

Here is my new Nym v. Supersoulty map:

[PD]

Here is my new Nym v. Supersoulty map:

That map is still wrong. I would be able to swing California and Nevada.

[Gustaf]

Here is my new Nym v. Supersoulty map:

That map is still wrong. I would be able to swing California and Nevada.

Nevada, possibly, but not California. It's to liberal and Democratic to be swung by you. Just like Immy can't give us Idaho, to give one example. Presidential candidates can have a big impact on their home states, and VPs have a more moderate effect. But every single senator or governor doesn't. You might lower the victory margin some, but not swing the entire state.

[© tweed]

That map is still wrong. I would be able to swing California and Nevada.

I would very much doubt that, California wouldn't swing at the drop of the hat.

[PD]

That map is still wrong. I would be able to swing California and Nevada.

I would very much doubt that, California wouldn't swing at the drop of the hat.

How many times do I have to tell you guys? California has revolutionized. Don't forget that 2 of the most conservative presidents have come from us: Nixon and Reagan. The Recall did a lot more than you know. I've said this before, the Republicans' popularity here has gone up 52%.

[Michael Z]

As far as I can see, the one thing that keeps conservatives from winning California is the urban vote, namely LA and San Francisco. Look at the way districts vote in each Presidential election; the coastal urban areas are strictly Demoratic, whereas the rural areas are mainly Republican, and the former will continue to swing CA in the Democrats' favour.

True, Govenor Schwarzenegger is a Republican, but it bears pointing out that he's a social liberal. GWB is very much to the right of Arnie.

[Gustaf]

That map is still wrong. I would be able to swing California and Nevada.

I would very much doubt that, California wouldn't swing at the drop of the hat.

How many times do I have to tell you guys? California has revolutionized. Don't forget that 2 of the most conservative presidents have come from us: Nixon and Reagan. The Recall did a lot more than you know. I've said this before, the Republicans' popularity here has gone up 52%.

But that was another era. California was conservative until the 90s or so, since then it has trended Democrat. I am willing to accept that it isn't extremely Democratic, but it's still much more Democratic than the national average, and that is enough to make it go Dem in a close election.

[PD]

As far as I can see, the one thing that keeps conservatives from winning California is the urban vote, namely LA and San Francisco. Look at the way districts vote in each Presidential election; the coastal urban areas are strictly Demoratic, whereas the rural areas are mainly Republican, and the former will continue to swing CA in the Democrats' favour.

Govenor Schwarzenegger is a Republican, but it bears pointing out that he's a social liberal. GWB is very much to the right of Arnie.

San Diego is a coastal urban area and it's very conservative.

[© tweed]

A fascist like PD will not swing a state that if faced with the choice of a moderate liberal and a compassionate conservative.  If the GOP nominated a centrist and we nominated Migrendel, maybe it would happen, but not right ow it won't.

[PD]

That map is still wrong. I would be able to swing California and Nevada.

I would very much doubt that, California wouldn't swing at the drop of the hat.

How many times do I have to tell you guys? California has revolutionized. Don't forget that 2 of the most conservative presidents have come from us: Nixon and Reagan. The Recall did a lot more than you know. I've said this before, the Republicans' popularity here has gone up 52%.

But that was another era. California was conservative until the 90s or so, since then it has trended Democrat. I am willing to accept that it isn't extremely Democratic, but it's still much more Democratic than the national average, and that is enough to make it go Dem in a close election.

Pete Wilson was our governor in the 90's. He's very conservative.

[YRABNNRM]

That map is still wrong. I would be able to swing California and Nevada.

I would very much doubt that, California wouldn't swing at the drop of the hat.

How many times do I have to tell you guys? California has revolutionized. Don't forget that 2 of the most conservative presidents have come from us: Nixon and Reagan. The Recall did a lot more than you know. I've said this before, the Republicans' popularity here has gone up 52%.

Wasn't Nixon a moderate?

[© tweed]

California in 2000:

Bush had the widespread support geographically but Gore still won by 12%.

[Gustaf]

That map is still wrong. I would be able to swing California and Nevada.

I would very much doubt that, California wouldn't swing at the drop of the hat.

How many times do I have to tell you guys? California has revolutionized. Don't forget that 2 of the most conservative presidents have come from us: Nixon and Reagan. The Recall did a lot more than you know. I've said this before, the Republicans' popularity here has gone up 52%.

Wasn't Nixon a moderate?

He wa a crook...I thought he was mostly someone who wanted to win and was pretty pragmatic.

[PD]

California in 2000:

Bush had the widespread support geographically but Gore still won by 12%.

May I point out that the counties of Sacramento, Yolo, and Santa Barbara are now conservative. Also, My county is Riverside, the long skinny one towards the bottom, (extends from Arizona to Orange County) and it's a dark blue! I'm so proud!

[Michael Z]

Do you think CA is going to go for Bush this year?

[© tweed]

Yes, in three years those counties have gone 260 degrees from liberalism to conservatism.

Please, remember Arnold is a social liberal and is only economically a conservative.  Bustamante and Davis were socially to the right of Arnold.

[PD]

Do you think CA is going to go for Bush this year?

I think so.

[Gustaf]

Do you think CA is going to go for Bush this year?

We're discussing whether it would go for Supersoulty or Nym90, but fine, change the topic if you want!

[PD]

Yes, in three years those counties have gone 260 degrees from liberalism to conservatism.

Please, remember Arnold is a social liberal and is only economically a conservative.  Bustamante and Davis were socially to the right of Arnold.

Bustamante is social all over. So was Davis, just not as bad as Bustamante.

[TheWildCard]

Do you think CA is going to go for Bush this year?

I think so.

I agree I feel based on our new govenor and on that map based on the counties Bush has a very good shot in Cali. which would be a death blow to the democrat running aginst him.

[Michael Z]

Please, remember Arnold is a social liberal and is only economically a conservative.  Bustamante and Davis were socially to the right of Arnold.

I personally think people (that's to say floating voters) voted for Arnie simply because, well, he's Arnie. His political affiliation was only a secondary factor... he could have been the Constitution Party's candidate for all they cared.

That said, I do have a feeling the Democrats will have problems holding CA if Dean is the nominee.

[© tweed]

I don't see the Democrat losing california.

[Gustaf]

Do you think CA is going to go for Bush this year?

I think so.

I agree I feel based on our new govenor and on that map based on the counties Bush has a very good shot in Cali. which would be a death blow to the democrat running.

It would, by I still think that in a competitive election it wouldn't.