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Junior Chimp
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Political Matrix
E: 6.52, S: 2.00

« on: June 25, 2006, 10:15:51 PM »

So how would things have changed with mexico being part of the US from 1848 onwards(don't worry about the politicking needed to get that goal through. Just assume that Polk's veep George Dallas(one of the few supporters of the all mexico movement in a high enough place to have an impact) had more influence on the polk administration)? How would having 10-20 new states and 30-50 million more people(mexico would be first world so it wouldn't have our world's rapid growth. I'm also assuming the 20+ million mexicans in the US of OTL as part of the calculations to 50-70 million mexican-americans) change the US?

And now for the second part of the question: What would the culture of the US in 2006 be like? Since mexico in 1848 was 1/3 of the total US's population at the time, even if birthrates drop and the mexicans end up a smaller minority they'd still have a large influence(look at how much influence blacks have had and they're what 13% of the population). Other than cuisine which would obviously be affected(well moreso than in our world. In our world we have an explosion of mexican food the last few decades but that world would see mexican food popping up slower than in our world but in a slower transition). Salsa more popular than ketchup in 1930 instead of sometime in the early 2000s? American english would of curse adopt some spanish words(words like the spanish equivilant of boss, conquest etc) and pronounciations for words. The mexicans don't believe in the one drop rule so perhaps that attitude starts spreading to mainstream america earlier than OTL? The puritan influence on the US with regards to things like prohibtion is obviously reduced. That would likely kill off efforts to establish prohibition of at least alcohol/cannibis(remember in our world cannibis spread north to US blacks from mexico so in this world with a more
gradual introduction of it and a whiter group bringing it in) on a national level. Some midwest/new england states probably still do those kinds of laws. What other changes would american culture and society have in the 158 years after 1848?
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Undisguised Sockpuppet
Straha
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,787
Uruguay


Political Matrix
E: 6.52, S: 2.00

« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2006, 07:48:35 AM »

1 MExico had chiapas before 1848 so it wouldn't change thebstatus of chiapas

1 Coahuila, Taumalipas, veracruz and nuevo leon are the big cotton areas so thodse would be the slave statres.

3 I don't think so. I see slavery going away the same time that it did in brazil or a bit earlier

4 I doubt it. I see the mexican population as having the influence of weakening the puritanical elements.
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Undisguised Sockpuppet
Straha
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,787
Uruguay


Political Matrix
E: 6.52, S: 2.00

« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2006, 09:46:15 PM »

Mexico had only 1/3 of the US's population in 1848. Sure its 19th century rate of population growth woudl be larger than our timeline but you forget that mexico would be in a first world nation so it wouldn't grow as much as it did in our 21st century(instead of 110 million mexicans plus 20 million more in the US making 130 mexicans we'd see abotu 1/2 of that). We'd have about 70 million mexican-americans in that timeline. Thanks to air conditioning/demand for labor we'd see mexicans move north like how the blacks did so only about 30-40 million mexicans in the mexican states
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Undisguised Sockpuppet
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,787
Uruguay


Political Matrix
E: 6.52, S: 2.00

« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2006, 09:11:00 PM »

All Argentina needed to remain a first world nation was to have anyone but peron in power.
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,787
Uruguay


Political Matrix
E: 6.52, S: 2.00

« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2006, 09:17:53 AM »

All Argentina needed to remain a first world nation was to have anyone but peron in power.

Well their decline began in the twenties with the socialist reforms of the Radicals and then got pregressively worse until Peron screwed things over royally.
Peron was the person who pushed it over the edge. IF anyone else had been in powers the socialist "reforms" would hasve been survival.
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Undisguised Sockpuppet
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,787
Uruguay


Political Matrix
E: 6.52, S: 2.00

« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2006, 01:57:45 PM »

Basically argentina got peron and we got FDR.
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