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What’s the most likely scenario outcome? Most talk has been how the ANC has a good chance of losing power but most polls had them well ahead of the DA so is it a case of people thinking they won’t be able to form a coalition government?

National-level Coalitions are a whole new thing for modern South Africa, so nobody really knows. Obviously the shape of the results matters, things are more complex with the ANC closer to 35% than 45%. Locally, there are coalitions and confine groups, often between seemingly incompatible parties. Theoretically, anything is possible. 


But ANC are going to come in first unless the polls are really off. It's just the other groupings are expected to be sizable actors as well.

Part is hoping the ANC goes down as the ANC finally losing could be the wake-up call for them to get their crap together and also because a South Africa lead by the DA would send red velvet in a tailspin lol

No, because by bringing the case through a proxy they can claim they are not involved, when in fact they are.
And don't play dumb.
Bragg would never have brought the charges if Biden had told him not to.

Why didn't Biden just tell Vance to bring the charges? He passed on this case.

Biden didn't tell anyone to bring any charges.
He just didn't stop anyone from bringing charges.

Either you're very confused or just trolling at this point.

Could be both.  They're not mutually exclusive.

Opinions you don't like =/= trolling. You can't muzzle every single person who disagrees. You'd have to get rid of every single Republican or independent on this forum.

Maybe you need to learn the difference between a valid opinion and a whacked out conspiracy theory with no evidence. Not all 'opinions' are of equal merit.

I just found this meme yesterday and it fits here:

Essentially, what you’re saying is if people are skeptical of Joe Biden in any slight way, they don’t belong here. That criticism of any kind is going to increasingly be cracked down upon as Election Day draws near. Correct?

No, what I'm saying is that if people are going to make charges against any individual, that they need to have positive evidence. Anybody can throw out any negative charge they like and it's impossible to refute completely. There is the saying: "one can't disprove a negative."

So, the onus is on the person making the charge to provide evidence, and none was provided in this case.

I can similarly easily say that until Jeffrey Epstein's death, that he and Donald Trump would spend every night together raping women and you have no way of disproving it, but that doesn't make it true. I'm not a mod here but if you think this is an acceptable line of discourse, maybe you should be posting someplace else.

I feel like you thought the last paragraph would bother me, but id have to actually like Donald Trump to care about defamations on his character. Disliking Joe Biden doesn’t mean you like Trump. Defending someone who was implicitly threatened with a ban for having an out there opinion doesn’t mean you agree with their opinion. It just means you feel they shouldn’t be censored for having it. Dude may have a belief you or I disagree with but he wasn’t mistreating anyone or engaging in hateful language.

So how's it looking?

Not good for Trump.

What’s the most likely scenario outcome? Most talk has been how the ANC has a good chance of losing power but most polls had them well ahead of the DA so is it a case of people thinking they won’t be able to form a coalition government?

National-level Coalitions are a whole new thing for modern South Africa, so nobody really knows. Obviously the shape of the results matters, things are more complex with the ANC closer to 35% than 45%. Locally, there are coalitions and confine groups, often between seemingly incompatible parties. Theoretically, anything is possible. 


But ANC are going to come in first unless the polls are really off. It's just the other groupings are expected to be sizable actors as well.

No, because by bringing the case through a proxy they can claim they are not involved, when in fact they are.
And don't play dumb.
Bragg would never have brought the charges if Biden had told him not to.

Why didn't Biden just tell Vance to bring the charges? He passed on this case.

Biden didn't tell anyone to bring any charges.
He just didn't stop anyone from bringing charges.

Either you're very confused or just trolling at this point.

Could be both.  They're not mutually exclusive.

Opinions you don't like =/= trolling. You can't muzzle every single person who disagrees. You'd have to get rid of every single Republican or independent on this forum.

Maybe you need to learn the difference between a valid opinion and a whacked out conspiracy theory with no evidence. Not all 'opinions' are of equal merit.

I just found this meme yesterday and it fits here:

Essentially, what you’re saying is if people are skeptical of Joe Biden in any slight way, they don’t belong here. That criticism of any kind is going to increasingly be cracked down upon as Election Day draws near. Correct?

No, what I'm saying is that if people are going to make charges against any individual, that they need to have positive evidence. Anybody can throw out any negative charge they like and it's impossible to refute completely. There is the saying: "one can't disprove a negative."

So, the onus is on the person making the charge to provide evidence, and none was provided in this case.

I can similarly easily say that until Jeffrey Epstein's (alleged) death, that he and Donald Trump would spend every night together raping women and you have no way of disproving it, but that doesn't make it true. I'm not a mod here but if you think this is an acceptable line of discourse, maybe you should be posting someplace else.

10+ point swings against ANC and none of them from KZN or urban townships yet. It's going to be a slaughter.

Starmer is going to have one of the most loyal PLPs ever, isn’t he?

[Support for Israel's War Is Shaking My Faith in America's Jewish Community]

Support for Israel's War Is Shaking My Faith in America's Jewish Community

It's been terribly distressing to be a Jew in America since the attacks on Israel on October 7 by Hamas, but not for the reasons you might think.

I am a Jew who has supported the cause of Palestinian emancipation for decades now. I have found the American Jewish community an increasingly difficult and uncertain place ever since the war began.

It infuriates me to see many of my fellow Jews, some of whom are longtime friends, supporting Israel's seven-month attack on Gaza and the West Bank (as well as Syria and Lebanon) with seemingly no concern at all over the obscene bloodshed of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, which some scholars and experts in large-scale civilian attacks have called a genocide.

Add to that death toll Israel's bombing of hospitals, mosques and schools; as well as blocking food, water, medicine and other vital supplies from entering the territory, and the result is a hell on Earth.

How can so many of my fellow American Jews—especially those of us who are fortunate enough to have comfortable suburban lives, plenty to eat, and freedom—not speak out against this horror?

In Judaism there is a concept called tikkun olam, which is the idea of social action and the pursuit of social justice intended to repair and improve the world. This is a concept that has resonated with me in both my activism and work, and makes it impossible not to speak out to the world and to other Jews to remind them of who and what we are.

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https://www.newsweek.com/support-israels-war-shaking-my-faith-americas-jewish-community-opinion-1904582

What’s the most likely scenario outcome? Most talk has been how the ANC has a good chance of losing power but most polls had them well ahead of the DA so is it a case of people thinking they won’t be able to form a coalition government?

Some variation of a hung Parliament with the ANC taking a clear plurality.

It's a shame McCarthy just barely missed the cut here. I'm not a social democrat, but I'm not inflexible either- I'll give them some support if they're serious about challenging liberals and advancing reforms that will push the Overton Window in the right direction (hence why I supported Sanders in 2020 even though I found the self-proclaimed "democratic socialists" to be a bunch of naive pushovers, which they proved themselves to be in the end). I probably would have been Clean for Gene in '68.

Wellstone was decent and Mondale had some Ws. Makes me wish we had the '80s Democrats and their advocacy for a nuclear freeze back.

Eugene McCarthy was hardly a social democrat, unless you are using some kind of different definition of the term.

Social democrats for Reagan.