Hakeem Jeffries: "If Ukraine falls, significant likelihood we have to get involved in the conflict "

[Woody]

This is the fearmongering they have to resort too, to scare people into supporting aid. As if what's currently happening isn't enough to convince people.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democrat-leader-jeffries-pro-putin-faction-in-gop-delayed-ukraine-aid-60-minutes/

"We can't let Ukraine fall because if it does, then there's a significant likelihood that America will have to get into the conflict — not simply with our money, but with our servicewomen and our servicemen," Jeffries said in an interview with Norah O'Donnell for 60 Minutes.

Jeffries explained that he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin seeks to recreate the Soviet Union, and in doing so, will threaten NATO allies. Putin's invasion of neighboring Georgia did not stop there, Jeffries pointed out, nor did his takeover of Crimea in eastern Ukraine.

"Are we to believe that in the face of this kind of consistent aggression that if we allow Vladimir Putin to succeed in Ukraine that he's only going to stop in Ukraine? Of course not," Jeffries said.

[TheReckoning]

Ridiculous take. Russia isn’t attacking NATO, and we aren’t going to start a direct war with Russia.

[MasterJedi]

Of course, it’s obvious. Traitors in the US don’t want us to believe it to make the country weak. It’s why all those “the Russian boarder doesn’t stop here” signs keep going up along the Baltic country boarders.

[SnowLabrador]

He's right. If Ukraine loses, it's World War III.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

JD Vance was the wrong Senator he voted against aid I am looking forward to him losing in 2028 along with Johnson

[7,052,770]

He's right. After Ukraine falls, it's Georgia and then the Baltic NATO states. Funding Ukraine is an investment in preventing WW3.

[Open Source Intelligence]

He's right. If Ukraine loses, it's World War III.

Then why let Ukraine lose? Declare war and deploy troops into the country now. It will take care of the Ukrainians being outmanned and outgunned. Don't feed me bullsh*t about nuclear war. You either believe what you're saying or you don't. We've got these dumbasses in power in the West that want certain geopolitical outcomes to occur but don't want to risk anything to themselves to make it happen and Syria was the giant glaring example of that. That's why all this sh*t is occurring is the power men around the world look and see paper tigers, and they're daring the paper tigers to do something about it.

-Georgian conflict occurs. Bush does nothing (right after Iraq, so Republicans were war-weary and Democrats said he should be charged with war crimes). The Europeans officially blame Saaskashvili for instigating it.
-Crimea occurs where Russia takes it without firing a bullet, and tit-for-tat conflict takes off in Donetsk and Luhansk. Obama and Europe do nothing but are much sadder than Georgia realizing they're leaving the old world for good.

If the "good countries" stood up either of those two times, none of this would be occurring now.

Even our allies see paper tigers. Erdogan is officially our ally, Turkey are occupying parts of northern Syria no different than what the Russians are doing in Ukraine. Netanyahu in Israel is giving Biden the middle finger daring him to do something about Israeli invasions in Rafah and not doing a ceasefire, because Netanyahu has perceived American politicians to be powerless to stop his government's actions all while we have given Israel tons of military aid.

[Santander]

Then why let Ukraine lose? Declare war and deploy troops into the country now. Don't feed me bullsh*t about nuclear war. You either believe what you're saying or you don't. We've got these dumbasses in power in the West that want certain geopolitical outcomes to occur but don't want to risk anything to themselves to make it happen and Syria was the giant glaring example of that. That's why all this sh*t is occurring is the power men look and see paper tigers and they're daring the paper tigers to do something about it.

Correct. Leadership requires blood, not just money and words.

[Beet]

If taken literally, this quote is unrealistic and excessive. For one thing, Ukraine is not likely going to "fall". At their current rate of advance, it would take Russia into mid-century just to reach Kiev. Secondly, even if such an unrealistic scenario did occur, Russia would not attack NATO. Russia likely already regrets what it did two years ago, and is ready to sign a cease-fire.

If we lived in a sane world, that would be alright all around and we could all just wrap this up tomorrow, instead of speculating about WWIII, and use the $60 billion allocated not for weapons but to rebuild Ukraine's civilian economy, so that they can eventually make enough to pay us back. And then we would use the money paid back for health care or affordable housing or student loans here at home.

[Lief 🗽]

A whole lot of people who were confident that Russia wouldn’t invade Ukraine are now very confident that Russia won’t keep going.

[MadmanMotley]

A whole lot of people who were confident that Russia wouldn’t invade Ukraine are now very confident that Russia won’t keep going.

Of course, they'll stop at Austria and the Sudetenland.

[TheReckoning]

Do people here realize that the real world isn’t a Risk game? Russia isn’t attacking NATO. Period.

[Open Source Intelligence]

Do people here realize that the real world isn’t a Risk game? Russia isn’t attacking NATO. Period.

It's not Risk, it's Diplomacy. The unit in Moscow attacked Ukraine supported by Sevastopol. Negotiations in the winter of 1902 failed to bring peace.

[BlueSwan]

Do people here realize that the real world isn’t a Risk game? Russia isn’t attacking NATO. Period.

Well, I guess they might wait for the Trump presidency to dismantle NATO and THEN do it.

[President Johnson]

A whole lot of people who were confident that Russia wouldn’t invade Ukraine are now very confident that Russia won’t keep going.

Especially given the fact Putin has de facto switched to war time economy, spending like six percent or more of his GDP on the military, which even much more than the US (compared to GDP). That tells you he's at least preparing for a much longer battle.

The goal is now Europe in particular massively ramping up its defense capabilities so that Russia will think twice whether they attack one of our allies (with a clear commitment that the US keps its troops and nukes here and that nothing is off the table). It's called peace through strength.

[TheReckoning]

Do people here realize that the real world isn’t a Risk game? Russia isn’t attacking NATO. Period.

Well, I guess they might wait for the Trump presidency to dismantle NATO and THEN do it.

The USA can’t “dismantle” NATO. Even if Trump actually managed to get the USA out of it (so, like, already a 0% chance), it would still have the nuclear powers of France and the UK, among other strong militaries. Given how Russia is struggling a lot already against Ukraine, they wouldn’t stand a chance against NATO, which they are well aware of.

Russia is not Germany, Putin is not Hitler, and the year is not 1939.

[Frodo]

Considering Russia went through the Weimar Republic phase in the 1990s after the end of the Cold War before reverting back to autocracy under Vladimir Putin from the early 2000s onward, the comparison to Germany is apt, along with Vladimir Putin's irredentist dreams, and his refashioning of the Russian polity, society, and economy into a fascist state.  

  

[Mr. Smith]

Do people here realize that the real world isn’t a Risk game? Russia isn’t attacking NATO. Period.

They weren't attacking Ukraine either, until they did.

[TheReckoning]

Do people here realize that the real world isn’t a Risk game? Russia isn’t attacking NATO. Period.

They weren't attacking Ukraine either, until they did.

The difference is that attacking Ukraine would not be suicidal. The fact that some people here think that Russia may actually attack NATO, or that such a possibility is the same as them invading Ukraine, is astounding.

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Spoiler alert: Russia doesn't invade a NATO member.

[Yoda]

A very common sense and very correct statement from Jeffries, so of course Woody is triggered by the simple truth.

[Yoda]

Do people here realize that the real world isn’t a Risk game? Russia isn’t attacking NATO. Period.

You don't know that to be true, so stop stating it as some universally recognized fact. You can't know that to be true, just like we can't know for certain that they are going to attack a NATO country. Period.

The only thing we arguably do know for certain is that if Russia is stopped in Ukraine, they will very likely never get the chance to even try.

Jeffries' statement is not hyperbolic in the slightest, he's literally stating the fact that we are obligated to defend our NATO allies if they are attacked (as they did us after 9/11), and therefore the smartest course of action for all involved is to make sure Russia is defeated in Ukraine so we do not get to that point.

This statement of fact has predictably enraged the MAGAtard crowd.

[TheReckoning]

Do people here realize that the real world isn’t a Risk game? Russia isn’t attacking NATO. Period.

You don't know that to be true, so stop stating it as some universally recognized fact. You can't know that to be true, just like we can't know for certain that they are going to attack a NATO country. Period.

I mean, I also can’t be sure that Liechtenstein won’t invade and annex the USA while I’m sleeping tonight. But it has the same probability of Russia attacking NATO.

[John Dule]

[redjohn]

I don't think Republican voters are particularly skilled at reading comprehension, unfortunately for Jeffries. Read his statement, not the headline the poster picked - the point is that if the U.S. does not support Ukraine (the clearest example in decades of a victim of Russian aggression), Ukraine may fall, and will at the least provide a win to Russia that it will exploit and test against other countries.

If you don't believe this, you must believe there was some extremely special circumstance in Ukraine that will never manifest anywhere else in neighboring countries, that provides a pretext for Russian intervention. To believe this, you'd have to be ignorant of history and Russia's geopolitical goals.