UK General Discussion: 2019 and onwards, The End of May

[Pericles]

Everything failed, Ken Clarke's customs union came closest losing 272-264. Confirmatory vote lost 295-268. Norway plus lost 283-188. Norway without customs union lost 377-65. No deal lost 400-160. Revoke Article 50 lost 293-184, and Malthouse lost 422-139. What a debacle.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Out of curiosity, why does the House of Commons seem to do all its voting so late in the evening?

Tradition. Actually they do it much earlier than they used to; before the Blair government changed parliament to new 'family friendly' hours (to reflect the big increase in female MPs) it was common to have debates and votes after midnight: see page seven of this.

[jaichind]

Bercow selected eight motions on different Brexit models for debate

B – calling for a no-deal Brexit on April 12.
D – Norway Plus: calling for the U.K. to stay in the European Economic Area and rejoin the European Free Trade Association, while also adding a “comprehensive customs arrangement”
H – The same as D, but without the customs arrangement
J – Calling for the U.K. to stay in a permanent customs union with the EU
K – Labour’s proposal for a withdrawal agreement plus a customs union and close alignment to the single market
L -- Calling for a confirmatory vote in Parliament if the U.K. gets to within 2 days of a no-deal Brexit
M -- Saying no withdrawal deal should be agreed unless first approved by the public in second referendum
O – calling for a standstill agreement with EU while a broader trade agreement negotiated

Looks like all of them got voted down

[CumbrianLefty]

Everything failed, Ken Clarke's customs union came closest losing 272-264. Confirmatory vote lost 295-268. Norway plus lost 283-188. Norway without customs union lost 377-65. No deal lost 400-160. Revoke Article 50 lost 293-184, and Malthouse lost 422-139. What a debacle.

Widely expected, though. And at least one of those votes is close enough to work on.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

Can they just do a vote to keep things exactly as they are in perpetuity? Because it's pretty clear there's not enough support to actually do anything on this issue.

[Pericles]

Pushing now for Ken Clarke's plan or a confirmatory vote offer the best way forward imo. Norway is dead I think and probably should be given it is a halfway house solution that would leave the UK as a rule taker for the EU so wouldn't satisfy Remainers or Leavers.

[Pericles]

Can they just do a vote to keep things exactly as they are in perpetuity? Because it's pretty clear no one wants to actually do anything on this issue.

Closest to status quo would be revoking Article 50 which got blown out.

[CumbrianLefty]

No deal duly crushed, how many non-Tory MPs supported it? I expect not many.

[Sestak]

Customs union got within 8 votes?!?!?!

If they want a path forward, they know where to look now, I guess.

[Omega21]

At this point, the only reason I watch the streams is to hear Bercow yell "ORDAAAA"

[YL]

No deal duly crushed, how many non-Tory MPs supported it? I expect not many.

Ronnie Campbell, Kate Hoey and Dennis Skinner.

[CumbrianLefty]

No deal duly crushed, how many non-Tory MPs supported it? I expect not many.

Ronnie Campbell, Kate Hoey and Dennis Skinner.

Just those three, nobody in the DUP or anything?

[Pericles]

https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com

[Sestak]

Wait if Lib Dems had voted for customs union instead of abstaining it would have passed lol

[Pericles]

Wait if Lib Dems had voted for customs union instead of abstaining it would have passed lol

Yet again the LibDems are a disappointment.

[Silent Hunter]

Wait if Lib Dems had voted for customs union instead of abstaining it would have passed lol

They want to Remain and facilitating any Brexit would finish the party off.

The EU isn't just the customs union.

[Sestak]

Wait if Lib Dems had voted for customs union instead of abstaining it would have passed lol

They want to Remain and facilitating any Brexit would finish the party off.

The EU isn't just the customs union.

Even with the risk of No Deal, though?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Remember that this wasn't a normal vote, but the first stage of a two-step process.

[CumbrianLefty]

Apparently the "justification" some ERGers are providing for swinging behind May's deal is "vote for it, get her out, and then a successor more in our mould will just rip it up anyway".

Absolutely brilliant, foolproof plan there. Can't see any downside to that at all

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Looks like the second referendum backers cleverly moved to kill off a soft Brexit today. Customs union motion was defeated by SNP abstaining, TIG voting against and 8 People's Vote Labour MPs abstaning/voting against. They've maneuvered the Kyle-Wilson "confirmatory public vote" into pole position among the Remain faction in parliament.

[Pericles]

Looks like the second referendum backers cleverly moved to kill off a soft Brexit today. Customs union motion was defeated by SNP abstaining, TIG voting against and 8 People's Vote Labour MPs abstaning/voting against. They've maneuvered the Kyle-Wilson "confirmatory public vote" into pole position among the Remain faction in parliament.

Problem is Ken Clarke's plan still came closer than the confirmatory vote option, and Corbyn may be more inclined to support Ken Clarke's plan. So while they killed Norway, customs union (and a harder version of it too) is still on the table.

[CumbrianLefty]

Looks like the second referendum backers cleverly moved to kill off a soft Brexit today. Customs union motion was defeated by SNP abstaining, TIG voting against and 8 People's Vote Labour MPs abstaning/voting against. They've maneuvered the Kyle-Wilson "confirmatory public vote" into pole position among the Remain faction in parliament.

Well the only way it is going to pass is if significantly more Tories vote for it, given that there is a hard core of opponents in Labour who are basically unwhippable.

D'ya feel lucky, punk?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Looks like the second referendum backers cleverly moved to kill off a soft Brexit today. Customs union motion was defeated by SNP abstaining, TIG voting against and 8 People's Vote Labour MPs abstaning/voting against. They've maneuvered the Kyle-Wilson "confirmatory public vote" into pole position among the Remain faction in parliament.

These people are zealots. Good grief.

[Lord Halifax]

What's most likely to happen now?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

What's most likely to happen now?

In general or specifically? In general, well, the same answer as before: no one knows. Specifically, well, the government will try for Meaningful Vote III, and unless that is passed before Monday then there will be another set of these votes then.