The General Election poll!

[Gustaf]

I'm still gonna swing CA and NV.

Just like nclib will not swing NC, you will not swing CA. I am letting OR, NV and AZ go Rep, b/c I expect you to give Supersoulty an edge in that region.

[© tweed]

Does this look wierd to anyone else?

[Gustaf]

Does this look wierd to anyone else?

Yes, to me!

[© tweed]

The posts are smaller.  When we push it to another page it should be fine.

[Gustaf]

The posts are smaller.  When we push it to another page it should be fine.

So we're doing this again, huh?

[12th Doctor]

The posts are smaller.  When we push it to another page it should be fine.

So we're doing this again, huh?

Yes we are.

[12th Doctor]

The posts are smaller.  When we push it to another page it should be fine.

So we're doing this again, huh?

Yes we are.

Let me help a bit.

[Gustaf]

The posts are smaller.  When we push it to another page it should be fine.

So we're doing this again, huh?

Yes we are.

Do you actually know what I'm talking about?

[12th Doctor]

The posts are smaller.  When we push it to another page it should be fine.

So we're doing this again, huh?

Yes we are.

Let me help a bit.

Just a bit more.

[12th Doctor]

The posts are smaller.  When we push it to another page it should be fine.

So we're doing this again, huh?

Yes we are.

Let me help a bit.

Just a bit more.

Little farther.

[12th Doctor]

The posts are smaller.  When we push it to another page it should be fine.

So we're doing this again, huh?

Yes we are.

Let me help a bit.

Just a bit more.

Little farther.

One more should do it.

[Gustaf]

The posts are smaller.  When we push it to another page it should be fine.

So we're doing this again, huh?

Yes we are.

Let me help a bit.

Just a bit more.

Little farther.

One more should do it.

And it did!

And you got your post number up as well!

[© tweed]

Yeah, it looks better now.  Thanks soulty.

[12th Doctor]

Yeah, it looks better now.  Thanks soulty.

No problem.  Just 48 til I'm a YaBB God.

[12th Doctor]

htmldon, we could really use your vote in the general election.  Whay don't you register?

[PD]

htmldon, we could really use your vote in the general election.  Whay don't you register?

I know. Please register.

[NHPolitico]

Please, remember Arnold is a social liberal and is only economically a conservative.  Bustamante and Davis were socially to the right of Arnold.

I personally think people (that's to say floating voters) voted for Arnie simply because, well, he's Arnie. His political affiliation was only a secondary factor... he could have been the Constitution Party's candidate for all they cared.

That said, I do have a feeling the Democrats will have problems holding CA if Dean is the nominee.

Voting on both sides has an element of fear. GOP voters fear socialized medicine, abortion up to birth (as Clark --and Dean and presumably others-- supports), the removal of all references to God on currency and the Pledge, tax rates from the Carter era, cowardice on the WOT, etc.  Fear keeps them voting GOP even if they don't agree with everything Bush does.  Dems use fear of a return to segregation, a police state, a theocracy, corporate control of government, etc. If Giuliani and Arnold and Romney and others moderate how voters view the GOP, then fear doesn't work so well.  Does that just work on the margins?  Maybe, but it makes a difference of some kind.  The GOP has political celebs it can send into any congressional district of the country.  I don't think the Dems really do.

[NHPolitico]

I'm not saying that it is out of the world of possibility, but I don't think it will happen.

I don't think it will happen. Still, it's odd to me that Bush can be up 3 points (41% support, but still a lead) in NJ, and similar leads in other solid Gore states.  I don't think that's a repeat of 2000 or 1992.

[PD]

I'm not saying that it is out of the world of possibility, but I don't think it will happen.

I don't think it will happen. Still, it's odd to me that Bush can be up 3 points (41% support, but still a lead) in NJ, and similar leads in other solid Gore states.  I don't think that's a repeat of 2000 or 1992.

Whatever. I'm not gonna argue anymore about it.

[dazzleman]

Voting on both sides has an element of fear. GOP voters fear socialized medicine, abortion up to birth (as Clark --and Dean and presumably others-- supports), the removal of all references to God on currency and the Pledge, tax rates from the Carter era, cowardice on the WOT, etc.  Fear keeps them voting GOP even if they don't agree with everything Bush does.  Dems use fear of a return to segregation, a police state, a theocracy, corporate control of government, etc. If Giuliani and Arnold and Romney and others moderate how voters view the GOP, then fear doesn't work so well.  Does that just work on the margins?  Maybe, but it makes a difference of some kind.  The GOP has political celebs it can send into any congressional district of the country.  I don't think the Dems really do.

I agree that people often vote for the person or party that they fear less.  I vote against the Democrats because I don't trust their handling of national security, among other things, and I do fear the results of giving the Democrats power.  I am also not in sympathy with many of the special interest groups who support the Democrats.

As far as the Republicans go, I'm not a strong social conservative, and I'm not a member of the Christian coalition, but I fear them quite a bit less than I fear many of the most prominent members of the Democratic coalition.

[migrendel]

I don't understand this fear. By socializing medicine, completely legalizing abortion, and removing references to God only serves their interests. We are cushioning their economic existence, defending their physical autonomy, and fighting for religious freedom and government neutrality, respectively. Perhaps we shall have to wait until all these people have lain down and died before anything gets done.

[dazzleman]

I don't understand this fear. By socializing medicine, completely legalizing abortion, and removing references to God only serves their interests. We are cushioning their economic existence, defending their physical autonomy, and fighting for religious freedom and government neutrality, respectively. Perhaps we shall have to wait until all these people have lain down and died before anything gets done.

I'll tell you why I don't support socialized medicine.  Reliance on government for an essential service almost always brings the level of service down to the lowest common denominator.  This is OK with garbage collection, but not education or medicine.  Education is highly localized, but in areas where the poor and middle class are intermingled, education has been brought down to the lowest conceivable level, and has not been allowed to rise above that.  The middle class (and the rich) must then pay for the service twice -- through their taxes and then for a private provider because the level of service provided by the government provider is unacceptable to them.

We can expect to see the same thing in medicine if it becomes socialized, only worse because it won't be as localized as education is.

[migrendel]

It really is their problem that it's unacceptable to them. They should be grateful for a compassionate government, not constantly endeavoring to find fault.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Why the fuss about Socialism in healthcare?
We've had the NHS for 56 years and it's become political suicide to oppose it.
It works, so why not have it?
And private health care (which is terrible BTW) is legal as well.

[PD]

Why the fuss about Socialism in healthcare?
We've had the NHS for 56 years and it's become political suicide to oppose it.
It works, so why not have it?
And private health care (which is terrible BTW) is legal as well.

Private healthcare is a lot better.