What party would you be

[frihetsivrare]

I am also thinking of parties in terms of lesser evils, because I despise parties.  In no way would I ever actually be a member of a political party.  The chorus of the following song describes most members of parties.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPNin0-dLVE  "Die Partei hat immer Recht" or "The party is always right"

Germany: Büso or die Republikaner

So you're a LaRouchite and a racist? Impressive.

I agree with the Republicans' stance on the EU, but disagree with their stance on stopping immigration.  Furthermore, if the FDP were anti-EU, I would have put them instead of die Republikaner.

[Хahar 🤔]

Mexico: anyone but PAN and PRI under current leadership

Hm.That leaves

A. Greens. A private concern for renting out votes for pay. Currently charged w/ doing dirty jobs for the PRI.

B. New Alliance. Same as the above, but currently on hire (w/ a likely purchase option) to the teacher's union.

C. PRD/PT/Convergencia. Bascially, national socialists. PRD is simply fascist, PT pretends to be a bit more Commie (they have the red flag w/ the hammer and that old agricultural implement that Commies use all over the world), Convergencia is of a rather indeterminate nature: sort of a sidekick to one or both of the other two. The main difference as of today is that the current PRD leadership hates AMLO, while PT and Convergencia count on him preserving their electoral register.

No other options at present. So, I guess, PRD is brown enough for you.

In that case, I would be 100% independent in Mexico, voting for people based on issues and not giving a damn about what party they are.

Unless I'm mistaken, certain offices in Mexico use party-list proportional representation, which means that you would have to vote for a party.

[Hash]

When will people understand that the MoDem is not a party but a fledgling friends-and-neighbors coalition built around a demagogic whiny attention-whore who doesn't care one bit about ideology?

answer: when Wikipedia's articles are half-decent.

[ag]

Mexico: anyone but PAN and PRI under current leadership

Hm.That leaves

A. Greens. A private concern for renting out votes for pay. Currently charged w/ doing dirty jobs for the PRI.

B. New Alliance. Same as the above, but currently on hire (w/ a likely purchase option) to the teacher's union.

C. PRD/PT/Convergencia. Bascially, national socialists. PRD is simply fascist, PT pretends to be a bit more Commie (they have the red flag w/ the hammer and that old agricultural implement that Commies use all over the world), Convergencia is of a rather indeterminate nature: sort of a sidekick to one or both of the other two. The main difference as of today is that the current PRD leadership hates AMLO, while PT and Convergencia count on him preserving their electoral register.

No other options at present. So, I guess, PRD is brown enough for you.

In that case, I would be 100% independent in Mexico, voting for people based on issues and not giving a damn about what party they are.

Well, w/ your preferences, Mexican leftists are a really good fit: there hasn't been a Mussolini in Latin America to take the fascists from the left to the right of the political spectrum.  You seem to me a perfect voter for the Chavez-style jokers all over the continent.

[ag]

Mexico: anyone but PAN and PRI under current leadership

Hm.That leaves

A. Greens. A private concern for renting out votes for pay. Currently charged w/ doing dirty jobs for the PRI.

B. New Alliance. Same as the above, but currently on hire (w/ a likely purchase option) to the teacher's union.

C. PRD/PT/Convergencia. Bascially, national socialists. PRD is simply fascist, PT pretends to be a bit more Commie (they have the red flag w/ the hammer and that old agricultural implement that Commies use all over the world), Convergencia is of a rather indeterminate nature: sort of a sidekick to one or both of the other two. The main difference as of today is that the current PRD leadership hates AMLO, while PT and Convergencia count on him preserving their electoral register.

No other options at present. So, I guess, PRD is brown enough for you.

In that case, I would be 100% independent in Mexico, voting for people based on issues and not giving a damn about what party they are.

Unless I'm mistaken. Certain offices in Mexico use party-list proportional representation, which means that you would have to vote for a party.

It's worse Except in Yucatan state-level elections there are no independent candidacies, and everywhere there is no re-election to the same post for a second term. It's the party that decides who runs for what. You can't vote independent.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

When will people understand that the MoDem is not a party but a fledgling friends-and-neighbors coalition built around a demagogic whiny attention-whore who doesn't care one bit about ideology?

answer: when Wikipedia's articles are half-decent.

Not caring about ideology isn't necessarily bad. Doesn't mean the post is wrong.

USA - Republican
UK - Conservative
France - Conservative
Germany - Christian Democrat
Italy - Union of Christian and Center Democrats
Spain - Peoples' Party
Israel - Likud
South Korea - Grand National Party
Japan - Liberal Democratic Party
Canada - Conservative
Australia - Conservative

So, in France, you'd suddenly become a Socialist, a Communist, or a Far-Leftist. The sweetness of the air maybe.

[Hash]

When will people understand that the MoDem is not a party but a fledgling friends-and-neighbors coalition built around a demagogic whiny attention-whore who doesn't care one bit about ideology?

answer: when Wikipedia's articles are half-decent.

Not caring about ideology isn't necessarily bad. Doesn't mean the post is wrong.

Probably not, but it isn't a justification for supporting the MoDem which is, I repeat, nothing more than an demagogic egomaniac's personal machine.

[Antonio the Sixth]

USA - Republican
UK - Conservative
France - Conservative
Germany - Christian Democrat
Italy - Union of Christian and Center Democrats
Spain - Peoples' Party
Israel - Likud
South Korea - Grand National Party
Japan - Liberal Democratic Party
Canada - Conservative
Australia - Conservative

LOL, fail of the year.

[Хahar 🤔]

USA - Republican
UK - Conservative
France - Conservative
Germany - Christian Democrat
Italy - Union of Christian and Center Democrats
Spain - Peoples' Party
Israel - Likud
South Korea - Grand National Party
Japan - Liberal Democratic Party
Canada - Conservative
Australia - Conservative

LOL, fail of the year.

Presumably he means he'd be a royalist.

[Vepres]

USA - Libertarian
UK - Libertarian
France - Liberal Democracy
Germany - FDP
Italy - FLI
Spain - PP
Israel - New Movement
South Korea - Liberty Forward
Japan - LDP
Canada - Libertarian
Australia - Liberal

[Filuwaúrdjan]

As mentioned previously, the Libertarian Party ran a grand total of two candidates at the last General Election and is led by an internet troll.

[Hash]

France - Liberal Democracy

Good to know you've been keeping up with French politics since, uh, 2002.

[Keystone Phil]

USA - Republican
UK - Conservative
France - UMP
Germany - CDU
Italy - I'm mixed here. I still like the PdL but I'm with Fini on the whole Fini vs. Berlusconi battle so I'd go FLI.
Spain - PP
Israel - Likud
South Korea - Grand National
Japan - LDP
Canada - Conservative
Australia - Liberal

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

USA: Democrats.
UK: Lib Dem possibly last few elections including last for sure, but almost certainly Labour next one.
Germany: SPD usually
France: PS
Italy: There's no real point in associating with a party here, since the only ones that stick around are personality cults, communists or fascists. Right now the Democrats even though they don't seem like much more than a loose coalition of people who don't like Berlusconi, fascists or other assorted nutjobs.
Spain: PSOE
Australia: Green first pref usually, but my vote would almost always end up being cast for Labour. There's a few very anti-free speech Labourites I could never vote for though (like the former Attorney General of South Australia, interestingly he was ousted in part to the efforts of Australian gamers.)
New Zealand: Labour
Canada: NDP. Liberal in Quebec and possibly a few other places (well at the provincial level at least. New Brunswick for example.)
Israel: Hadash
Scandinavia: The generic Social Democrats all those countries have.
Netherlands: PvDA. Depending local issues and candidates I might go for the Greens, SP or D66 sometimes in local elections, but I see myself pretty much always going PvDA by default.
Israel: Hadash
South Africa: Democratic Alliance

France - UMP

What no comment about how much of a horrible decision this was and how you'd never ever live here?

[Keystone Phil]

What no comment about how much of a horrible decision this was and how you'd never ever live here?

No need to state one of the most well known facts on the forum.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

USA: Democrat

UK: LibDem

Germany: SDP

France: Mouvement démocrate

Italy: Partito Democratico

Spain: Partido Socialista Obrero Español

New Zealand: Labour

Canada: Liberal

Israel: Labour

The Netherlands: PvDA

[Хahar 🤔]

France: Mouvement démocrate

That's just the personality cult of Bayrou, a conservative-turned-"centrist".

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

France: Mouvement démocrate

That's just the personality cult of Bayrou, a conservative-turned-"centrist".

Bold #1: This word doesn't make sense in France. 'Social' (in the American sense of term) issues are almost non-existent in the French political debate, which doesn't mean they are absent of the society, and when they are present in politics they are rather consensual along the main political spectrum, and it uses to be done with only few figures from one camp or another that would try to carry such or such issue out, and each time some are carried out it uses to be in a 'progressive' (aka more personal freedom by opposition to some traditional thoughts) way, with very few opponents to defend 'traditions'. And, even if it is not perfect and some progresses are still to be done in some realms compared to other countries, all of this advances, and some changes occur, without much tensions, and rather out of the political system, social advances use to occur through justice decisions here.

You'll hardly find 'social' platforms or even propositions in political displaying here, or as quite small asides. Bayrou, and the political family to which he traditionally belongs to, can be slightly conservative in his personal opinions, but what happens in the political debate is something else.

Those in which you could find the most clear 'social' political displaying would be MPF and Christine Boutin, so to say not a lot of people. Even if it would automatically be part of a party like FN, it rarely comes into their displaying. Everybody knows that the 'Travail,Famille, Patrie' from Vichy is totally unsexy here.

Ironically, while France would be very confrontative for social issues in the French sens of the term, it would be rather consensual and compromissional (I think the 2 neologism in this sentence re understandable) for 'social' issues in the American sense of the term.

Bold #2: Well, technically, the policies he always proposed since 2007 are centrists in the political debate here. His positioning would rather be centrist as well, at the beginning of this lonely adventure he was closer to the left, though it was more 'anti-Sarkozism' than 'leftism' and then anyhow tried to become closer to the right. Psychologically you can tell he has more a leftist attitude than a rightist one, but that's all, and anyhow centrism is an hard thing when it comes to your personality, you always have a bit of sensibility that would make that your personality would rather be qualified 'leftist' or 'rightist', but with this last aspect we're only barely still in the realm of what is, at least technically, the political debate. The point being that what he did and said remained technically centrist.

That being said, yeah, MoDem wouldn't be much than a small sectarian club nowadays, pay attention if you enter into it... It really is not relevant anymore in the French political spectrum, only remains what there only was, Bayrou, who can have 'statesman' attitude then can impress, especially in a presidential context, but that's all, and anyhow he has now the competition of Villepin on that. On the 2 last political debates, Roma and pensions, he was just not present.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

USA: Republican
UK: Conservative
France: UMP
Germany: CDU
Italy: ??
Spain: Partido Popular
Israel: Kadima
South Korea: GNP
Japan: Minna no To ?
Canada: Conservative
Australia: Liberal

[Platypus]

USA: Democrat, but purely as a lesser evil. I could support Republicans in some state races and for some house seats that they'd never win anyway.
GBR: LibDem/Labor swing voter. I'd be a bit of a Eurosceptic but other than that there'd be no reason to consider the Tories. Possibly Plaid in Wales; definitely Sons of Kernow in Cornwall.
France: Not the Socialists; not most of the UMP. I don't know enough about the rest to know who I'd vote for, so UMP by defaulty I suppose :/
Germany: I could quite happily vote for certain candidates from the CD(S)U, SDP and FDP. For list voting, probably FDP but it'd really depend on the year.
Italy: Eugh. The non-Berlusconi, non-communist/socialist, non-mafia, non-seperatist, non-racist, non-corrupt party. If one exists (surely there must be one, considering how many parties there are)
Spain: Meh, they're screwed anyway.
Israel: Labour? I completely zone out re: Israel/Palestine, so I know the names but nothing of the policies. Cept that the far right are destroying any chance for peace.
South Korea: I know zilch.
Japan: Probably the Communists, actually. Crazy.
Canada: Liberal, when lead competantly. NDP otherwise.
Australia: I voted for the Secular Party, as did less than 0.5% of my fellow Melbourne Ports electors. Preferenced Labor over the Greens or Liberals.

and, bonus!

New Zealand: Swing voter
India: Congress, by default. Maybe some of the regional interest parties.
South Africa: Democratic Alliance. As would 99% of other moderately left-leaning white males in their twenties, I'd guess.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

FDP? You? Doesn't feel right, tbh.

[Platypus]

FDP? You? Doesn't feel right, tbh.

I know. I think I'd be open to the SDP and CD(S)U also, maybe even a Green or two, and basically be a swinging voter but my vote would more commonly swing to the FDP than the CDU or SDP. The problem with the SDP is that they've become too weak-willed and passive. The FDP is a bit too pro-capitalism for me, but I think that's needed to counterbalance Der Linke and the rest of der linke. And whilst I'm not a conservaqueer fanboy, Guido Westerwelle is pretty impressive.

[Platypus]

The passive remark applies to a lot of European politicians, fwiw, but it's more common on the left and particularly pronounced, it seems, in some of the already quite progressive countries such as Germany.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Style issue or a policy one? Or both?

[Platypus]

A bit of both; there doesn't seem to be any fire in the belly so to speak. Everything is deferred to Brussels or put into the too-hard basket. Australia hardly has perfect politics, but at least you get some sense of doing positive stuff for the national interest long-term, as well as the ideology. Europe's left seems basically to just be 'hmmn, well we could do that, but it really depends on how it affects on clause fifteen of treaty 1996-17a-5 so what we'll actually do instead is increase farm subsidies and protest banning burqas while we put up another security camera and heighten the division of cultures'.

I'm probably rambling (bit late here) but in my head I'm right