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batmacumba
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« on: June 06, 2012, 11:22:30 PM »
« edited: June 07, 2012, 08:01:40 AM by batmacumba »

Of course citizens living abroad should be able to vote, but in their home constituencies. I don't see how someone could be a member of the National Assembly of France while living in another country entirely.

In a country with Jus Sanguinis It would make sense. But, being France a Jus Soli country, It's really contradictory.
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2012, 08:05:54 AM »

They'd already tried to rule lots of countries in the 90's, but through financial blackmail. Once It stopped working, they seem to be adhering to representative democracy. I wouldn't be very surprised if these constituencies, together with those of fancy neighbourhoods started mattering more than the normal guys ones.
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2012, 07:32:50 PM »

Don't bother with us. We've got no organization sense. Grin

To get out the deviation. Is there a typical international constituency voter?
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2012, 03:11:47 PM »

I wouldn't be very surprised if these constituencies started mattering more than the normal guys ones.
I would be. These elections appear to turn out just as farcical in France as in Italy. I wonder what kind of connection these MPs can have to either their "constituency" or the people they'll actually make laws for...

Before the Gendarme comes back...

I see Italian and French International Congresspeople in quite a different way. First, Italy has a not so old emigration tradition (I'm comparing with the first European settlers) and this people tends to maintain a strong relation with their original country. My greatgrandfather came from Italy, yet my mother's generation is still identifiable as Italo-Brazilian and some of my cousins, despite not having the strong culturally Italian behaviour anymore, hold Italian citizenship. The same happens in Argentina, Uruguay, Canada and the USA. Those who remained in Europe don't have, in the other hand, the penchant for cultural homogeneity one can historically find amongst Germans, so there is a weaker feeling of apartness from the communities abroad. Hence, the matter of international constituencies in Italy may be interpreted as sentimentalism, and so, as You put, farcical.

The matter of French International Constituencies must be another, unless We believe they want to bring Quebecois, Acadiens, Cajuns, exiled people's children born in France, all back to Maman Marianne. It makes much more sense to interpret this as a way to give space at interior matters policies to this caste of upper-middle and upper class people who lives abroad working with the operation of financial matters. Sure, I see I'm exaggerating the impact of these people in the bulk of French people abroad, for the sake of a good storytelling, but I still won't be surprised If, in the future, this stopped being marginal.

The notion that citizens living far abroad and not intending to return home in the short run nonetheless have an interest in the composition of the national assembly, while those actually affected by it on a daily basis and paying taxes for its upkeep but who are not citizens should not be, is the notion that a country is basically a company and citizenship is basically a share. Next thing you'll be demanding dividends out of the treasury.
And sure enough, Western countries have no problems with the international upper middle class aquiring shares in multiple countries, but are very against third world immigrants doing so.
The notion just screams "I like Representative Government but have an exterminatory hatred of Democracy" (it's not the same thing, you know.) Using single-member constituencies is just rubbing it in.

Hear hear!  But I will say, I have an awful lot of French friends over here, and they're all pathetically poor teachers (redundant I know) who vote left-wing.

There are some of those here, too. They marry with locals and start having such kind of jobs as language teachers, chefs, gourmet bakers, or make their ways inside academy (what a Paris-N diploma can do for academical career...). But, when you go to São Paulo or Rio, It's basically about financial system and CEO's.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2012, 09:50:32 PM »

If the left is really doing so spectacularly well in the election, I must conclude that apparently the French are not taking note of what is happening in Greece and Spain!

You're really clueless about Europen recent History, aren't You?
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