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Free will exists
 
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Free will is an illusion; actions are predetermined by various scientific rules
 
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Free will is an illusion; actions are predetermined by the will of god
 
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« on: May 06, 2024, 06:05:40 PM »

Going to pick option 2.
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2024, 06:20:16 AM »

Free will exists and is fully compatible with determinism. The whole issue is a pseudo-problem born of an incoherent understanding of modality.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2024, 06:27:24 AM »

I just want to say that this is a badly designed poll. The three options should be the three main positions on free will in contemporary philosophy: libertarianism (free will exists and determinism is false), compatibilism (free will exists and determinism is true), and hard determinism (free will doesn’t exist and determinism is true).
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2024, 06:33:35 AM »

As for my own answer, while I’m a bit more sceptical of compatibilism than Antonio is, I also struggle to see how a full-throated libertarian conception of free will is supposed to work: if our actions are not determined at all, then how can they really be free (in the sense that I think most people care about free will, as a necessary condition for moral responsibily)? If they just spontaneously, randomly happen (which is what a complete lack of casual determination seems to imply), it seems we cannot be held responsible for them.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2024, 12:36:49 PM »

Option 4 (so I'm not voting)

-We will likely never know with certainty
-Even if it's an illusion, it doesn't feel like one, and it wouldn't really change society or daily actions, so the answer doesn't truly matter
-Even if it's an illusion, with quantum mechanics ruled by probability, I'm not sure if "determinism" is the right way to frame it
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2024, 09:22:43 PM »

I don't know what "free will" means here.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2024, 08:18:22 PM »

I believe that it exists insofar as I fear the consequences of people believing that it doesn't exist.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2024, 05:49:31 AM »

It has been predetermined that I would pick option 2.
If I am correct it has been predetermined how everyone else voted, which means that free will and determinism are mutually exclusive.
I could be wrong, but unless you can prove me wrong, I will stick with my vote.
The op has allowed you to change your vote.
If you do, are you exercising free will?
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2024, 11:46:05 AM »

I just want to say that this is a badly designed poll. The three options should be the three main positions on free will in contemporary philosophy: libertarianism (free will exists and determinism is false), compatibilism (free will exists and determinism is true), and hard determinism (free will doesn’t exist and determinism is true).

This may be a stupid question, but has "free will doesn't exist and determinism is false" ever been brought forth or explored as a position in philosophy?
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2024, 12:55:47 PM »

I think he should be freed. Will did nothing wrong.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2024, 04:17:55 PM »

This may be a stupid question, but has "free will doesn't exist and determinism is false" ever been brought forth or explored as a position in philosophy?

Galen Strawson (of ‘most famous father-son duo in philosophy’ fame) has, in a sense (his position is actually that free will is incompatible with both determinism and indeterminism, and so it’s completely impossible).

Speaking more generally, one way this position could come about is by agreeing with a point that many compatibilists have made, and that I gestured towards in my post directly below the one you quoted, namely that free will may actually require determinism in some sense. Unlike the compatibilists though, such a philosopher would then say that determinism is in fact false, and thus that free will doesn’t exist. Their picture of the world would be one in which human action happens completely randomly and spontaneously, depriving us of any meaningful control over what we decide to do.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2024, 05:58:09 PM »

Death is inevitable
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