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Citizen James
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« on: November 08, 2005, 11:58:38 PM »

Things are looking pretty good for Arnold in CA.  If he defeats the Teachers and the Unions it will be a major win for him.

These preliminary results are surprising.  I expected all measures except redistricting to fail.

The early results tend to trend very conservative. (as far as I can remember from the past decade or so of statewide elections)  I am cautiously optimistic that things will change by nights end.

Still, I do have a horse in this race - as I'm going into teaching and our schools are already getting reamed badly enough by the bureaucrats.
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Citizen James
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2005, 12:51:02 AM »

Anyone who is so interested can get a regularly updated java 'ticker' for the CA props here
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Citizen James
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2005, 01:29:10 AM »

Well, a lot could still go either way.  I am hoping 74 stays down, but LA has just barely started counting, and for some reason the supposedly liberal LA times endorsed the darn thing. 

75 will probably be a nail biter til midnight or so, then gradually slip out of range.
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Citizen James
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2005, 02:16:18 AM »

75 just flipped.  73 remains on the no side of the razors edge.
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Citizen James
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2005, 03:56:59 AM »

Public service announcement for our Democratic friends:
YALL HAD THIS SEAT BEFORE.  THIS IS NOT A PICK-UP FOR YOU.  YOU BARELY HELD ON TO A SEAT YOU ALEADY HAD.  END TRANSMISSION.

"Barely"?  Well, we were supposed to be losing by a small margin until recently.  Instead our candidate broke 50%.

Also, honestly, it's not about holding onto the seat.  Let's look at it this way:  if a Republican held the governorship, and he was retiring, his Lt. Governor runs, and is in a dead heat against a Democratic opponent.  Do you consider it an acheivement if the Republican Lt. Governor wins, or would you just scoff at it like you're doing for Kaine?  It's not about which party holds onto the seat, it's about which candidate wins, regardless of who held office before.

I seem to recall a number of republicans claiming that breaking 50% was a mandate a few years ago.

WOOHOO!!! We got a mandate!!!

</Sarcasm>
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Citizen James
James42
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2005, 04:29:23 PM »

LoL

Quick, raise your hand if you think jfern isn't crazy.



Raises hand halfway.

Compared to you, he's a model of sanity.

Compared to a more 'normal' poster :shrug:
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Citizen James
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2005, 04:45:49 PM »

You can't evalate a teacher in the first two years.  Experts say it takes 4 years to evaluate a teacher's performance adequately, which means that incompetent teachers would not get tenured in the first place.

Its interesting that you defend the status quo against Arnold's school funding reforms by complaining that schools here don't get enough money.  Illogical, but interesting.

What experts are those?  Can you cite a reputable source - a professional study done by an impartial university researcher, something from the US department of education, even some half-witted right wing think tank?

Most folks who aren't cut out to teach remove themselves within the first two years.  And the burnouts have far more than five years experience, and many of them are burnt out not from the kids, but from ideologues who prefer to see the budget only in terms of short term gain rather than long term results (it takes years, even decades, for the impact of quailty eduction - or lack thereof - to be felt in the economy.), and short-shrift the schools because the results won't be seen until far after the next election.

Teachers are underpaid given the requirements they have to fufill, given lip service by the same politicans who ream them over and over again; then people wonder why we have a critical shortage of teachers in key areas.   And the teachers end up getting the blame for low test scores even though a lack of people in the profession makes it difficult to have enough teachers to meet the students needs.

And tenure is not a lifetime appointment like a seat on the supreme court.  It only guarenetees that a teacher who has achieved it gets a hearing to show that the firing was 'for cause', rather than for endorsing a candidate for the school board on their own time that the principal dislikes, or blowing the whistle on waste in the administration.
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