France General Discussion II: Living under Marxism

[Nhoj]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frigide-barjot-the-french-antigay-marriage-leader-under-attack-8631618.html

[Antonio the Sixth]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frigide-barjot-the-french-antigay-marriage-leader-under-attack-8631618.html

Reaping what she has sown.

[MaxQue]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frigide-barjot-the-french-antigay-marriage-leader-under-attack-8631618.html

If the homophobes and the fascists decides to kill each others, I certainly won't try to put myself between them.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Reaping what she has sown.

If the homophobes and the fascists decides to kill each others, I certainly won't try to put myself between them.

I'm probably in the minority here, but I find unvarnished bloodlust a bit more disturbing than opposition to same-sex marriage.

[MaxQue]

Reaping what she has sown.

If the homophobes and the fascists decides to kill each others, I certainly won't try to put myself between them.

I'm probably in the minority here, but I find unvarnished bloodlust a bit more disturbing than opposition to same-sex marriage.

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So, who has the bloodlust?

[politicus]

It did turn ugly in the end - as expected. Running battles with riot police, beating up TV crews etc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/huge-gay-marriage-protest-turns-violent-in-paris-8632878.html

[greenforest32]

It did turn ugly in the end - as expected. Running battles with riot police, beating up TV crews etc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/huge-gay-marriage-protest-turns-violent-in-paris-8632878.html

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Was the negative reaction this strong in Spain too? It doesn't quite read like it was.

I don't know much beyond the basics but, based on the polls and shifting attitudes over time, I had assumed it would be even less of an issue in France.

[Hash]

Reaping what she has sown.

If the homophobes and the fascists decides to kill each others, I certainly won't try to put myself between them.

I'm probably in the minority here, but I find unvarnished bloodlust a bit more disturbing than opposition to same-sex marriage.

I certainly agree:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/09/gay-man-french-homophobia-facebook
http://www.aljazeera.com/video/europe/2013/04/2013411235537971668.html

[Hash]

Christine Boutin finally proves (again) that she's a bigot and vicious homophobe: http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2013/05/27/christine-boutin-et-son-nouveau-derapage-anti-gay-dans-les-grandes-gueules-de-rmc_n_3342252.html

"We are invaded by gays"

[windjammer]

Christine Boutin finally proves (again) that she's a bigot and vicious homophobe: http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2013/05/27/christine-boutin-et-son-nouveau-derapage-anti-gay-dans-les-grandes-gueules-de-rmc_n_3342252.html

"We are invaded by gays"

After her bible in the Assembly. She's really crazy...

[Hash]

The online UMP primary for mayor of Paris, with NKM and 3 others, opened today. Metronews.fr revealed that their super-safe high-tech system was a load of sh**t, given that one person voted four times under four different names without too much of a hassle. Seems like the UMP no longer tries to hide that it supports vote rigging.

http://www.metronews.fr/paris/municipales-a-paris-comment-metronews-a-fraude-a-la-primaire-de-l-ump/mmeD!jk3goaowk8DkQ/

[Antonio the Sixth]

The online UMP primary for mayor of Paris, with NKM and 3 others, opened today. Metronews.fr revealed that their super-safe high-tech system was a load of sh**t, given that one person voted four times under four different names without too much of a hassle. Seems like the UMP no longer tries to hide that it supports vote rigging.

http://www.metronews.fr/paris/municipales-a-paris-comment-metronews-a-fraude-a-la-primaire-de-l-ump/mmeD!jk3goaowk8DkQ/

LOL.

[Hash]

The online UMP primary for mayor of Paris, with NKM and 3 others, opened today. Metronews.fr revealed that their super-safe high-tech system was a load of sh**t, given that one person voted four times under four different names without too much of a hassle. Seems like the UMP no longer tries to hide that it supports vote rigging.

http://www.metronews.fr/paris/municipales-a-paris-comment-metronews-a-fraude-a-la-primaire-de-l-ump/mmeD!jk3goaowk8DkQ/

LOL.

The UMP's obligatory bitchfest has started even earlier: Bournazel (some young idiot who is apparently a major candidate) is calling for the vote cancelled. Lo and behold, the master election-rigger (Jeff) is calling for 'moderation' and calm. I guess this means "let the vote rigging go on guys, stop whining" in Copespeak.

[RogueBeaver]

Panzergirl has lost her EP immunity.

[Hash]

The UMP primary in Paris is over and:

NKM (deputy of the Essonne, former mayor of Longjumeau, moderate, 'green', anti-FN; abstained on gay marriage) 58.16%
Jean-François Legaret (mayor 1st arrdt, pro-Tiberi dissident in 2001, filloniste, conservative) 20.4%
Pierre-Yves Bournazel (young municipal councillor, copéiste, supported by Guillaume Peltier and some of the Droite forte, the right-wing faction of the UMP, but he's moderate on some issues and allegedly backed gay marriage in 2010) 10.75%
Franck Margain (regional councillor, member of Christine Boutin's microparty, PCD, anti-gay marriage) 10.34%

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well, the favorite won at last. Don't know how the media will spin it though: "easy NKM victory", or "disappointing score"? At least she avoided the catastrophe of a second round...

[RogueBeaver]

What are her chances in the general?

[Antonio the Sixth]

What are her chances in the general?

Slight. Not nonexistent (there is still the possibility of a massive protest-vote-induced right-wing landslide), but it's going to be really hard for the right to ever win back in a city like Paris. It's trending left really fast.

[RogueBeaver]

Guess demographics have changed since Chirac was mayor, but I'm certainly not surprised at Paris trending left.

[Hash]

Well, the favorite won at last. Don't know how the media will spin it though: "easy NKM victory", or "disappointing score"? At least she avoided the catastrophe of a second round...

This is actually a good result for her, although I don't think there was any polling. Nobody really cared or noticed to begin with, but some in the media had their usual jizzing over Bournazel, the latest incarnation of the "young rising star" which the media loves sooooo much (see also: 'la Droite forte' media circus/scam).

Le Monde (which is, don't get me wrong, usually a good newspaper with good articles) had some terrible article about Bournazel calling him the "espoir gaullo-bobo" because he's young, good looking, not really batsh**t insane and young. Did we mention that he's young? No? Yeah, he's young, guys. He ended up with 11%, barely more than the random Boutin dude.

I guess I could write something on why Paris has trended left if somebody wanted, but I don't really feel like it.

[RogueBeaver]

Which makes me wonder how Le Monde sees someone who lost an AssNat run by 40 points as a "rising star."

[batmacumba]

NKM (deputy of the Essonne, former mayor of Longjumeau, moderate, 'green', anti-FN; abstained on gay marriage) 58.16%

Sure. I also believe on her personal marketing. Don't you? What more will she abstain, climate changing denial? Expulsion of immigrants?

[Antonio the Sixth]

NKM (deputy of the Essonne, former mayor of Longjumeau, moderate, 'green', anti-FN; abstained on gay marriage) 58.16%

Sure. I also believe on her personal marketing. Don't you? What more will she abstain, climate changing denial? Expulsion of immigrants?

Thank God, the French right is not (yet?) into this crap.

[windjammer]

Don't understimate her chances. She can win... Paris is trending left but if Hollande stays really unpopular next year...

[Hash]

There was a far more interesting mayoral primary in Lyon for the UMP as well, which I forgot about.

In the first round:
Michel Havard (deputy 2007-2012, leader of the opposition, filloniste, moderate) 40.34%
Georges Fenech (deputy, copéiste, Droite pop, tough-on-crime guy, big profile on fighting religious sects/Scientology) 35%
Emmanuel Hamelin (deputy 2002-2007, moderate Sarkozyst) 14.37%
Nora Berra (MEP, former secretary of state, filloniste, kind of tough-on-crime) 9.14%
Myriam Pleynard (random nobody) 1.13%

Hamelin, Berra and Pleynard have endorsed Fenech. So it will be a battle royale between filloniste vs. copéiste, centre-right vs. hard-right, Lyon establishment vs. Paris establishment...