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« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2012, 12:14:01 PM »

I want to comment that this is a wonderful thread. It is a real gold mine of creativity. Kudos to all involved!

Thanks a lot. Smiley We all appreciate it.
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« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2012, 02:28:02 PM »

1. Jefferson Davis (D-MS)/Alexander H. Stephens (D-GA) February 18th, 1861-March 4th, 1867
2. John H. Reagan (D-TX)/Alexander H. Stephens (D-GA) March 4th, 1867-March 4th, 1873
3. Judah Benjamin (N-VA)/Stephen Mallory (N-FL) March 4th, 1873-March 4th, 1879
4. James Longstreet (N-LA)/James Seddon (N-VA) March 4th, 1879-March 4th, 1885
5. Robert E. Whithers (N-VA)/Charles W. Jones (N-FL) March 4th, 1885-March 4th, 1891

6. William L. Wilson (S-VA)/James L. Pugh (S-AL) March 4th, 1891-March 4th, 1897
7. John W. Daniel (S-VA)/John S. Henderson (S-NC) March 4th, 1897-March 4th, 1903

8. Thomas Watson (N-GA)/Albert Goodwin (N-AL) March 4th, 1903-March 4th, 1909
9. Samuel D. McEnery (N-LA)/Thomas S. Martin (N-VA) March 4th, 1909-March 4th, 1917

10. Woodrow Wilson (P-VA)/William H. Milton (P-FL) March 4th, 1917-?
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« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2012, 02:34:47 PM »


I assume you're talking about the fact Wilson didn't get a majority? Hmmm. Should that be posted separate, or should we get ChairmanSanchez to include it in his update?
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« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2012, 08:33:34 PM »

Under Wilson, a new party system emerged. While the Nationals had previously been a dominating force in Confederate politics, their split over the issues of economics and slavery had destroyed them. Meanwhile, the Sovereignty Party had become the major conservative party, favoring laissez faire economics. With Wilson's victory, the Nationals soon began to disperse, with conservative members going to the Sovereigns and liberal members heading over to the Populists.

As well, not only had the system changed, but the Populists themselves had. Originally founded as a moderate alternative to the Nationals who had drifted far off in one direction, with the 1914 election, Wilson's forces, liberal refugees from both parties, had made it the prime progressive party.

In the second half of Wilson's term, he began taking an interest in foreign policy. In an historic summit, he met with President Judson Harmon of the United States, the first official summit of Union and Confederate diplomats since the 1860's. As well, on a 1919 trip to Europe, he proposed a "League of Nations" to form an international network to help promote and preserve world peace. While such an idea never came to be, years later, world leaders would look back to Wilson's original plan.

The 1918 mid-terms had left a Congress controlled by the Sovereignty party. With the President failing to pass an amendment guaranteeing direct election of Senators combined with other legislative failures, Wilson soon grew frustrated. While speaking with Senate Minority Leader Joseph T. Robinson of Arkansas, the President suddenly collapsed and suffered a stroke, crippling the final year and a half of his Presidency.

1920
At the Populist party convention, the split was between pro-Wilson and anti-Wilson candidates. Congressman Alfred A. Taylor of Tennessee represented the more moderate Populists who supported infrastructure improvements and tariffs as well as protection of the rights of blacks. The Wilson faction, on the other hand, supported much larger and ambitious government programs and they were headed by Governor Henry Clayton Jr. of Alabama. With First Lady Edith Wilson struggling to line up delegations for the Wilson-supported Clayton, and the Populist "Old Guard" staunchly supporting Taylor, it was one of the most epic convention fights in Confederate history. However, in a stern rebuke of the last two unsuccessful years and calls for a more compromising approach with Congress, Taylor was nominated with Alabama Senator Oscar W. Underwood as his running-mate.

The Sovereignty Party on the other hand nominated the doubly conservative ticket of Virginia Senator Carter Glass and Texas Representative John Nance Garner.

Senator Carter Glass (S-VA)/Rep. John Nance Garner (S-TX) 71 electoral votes, 49.5% of the popular vote
Rep. Alfred Layton (P-TN)/Senator Oscar W. Underwood (P-AL) 68 electoral votes, 48.9% of the popular vote
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« Reply #54 on: July 14, 2012, 09:23:17 PM »

That was an interesting twist.
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« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2012, 10:39:34 AM »

With "Cactus Jack" Garner's term, the era of "Sovereign Prosperity" continued. With Progressive policies dominating in the United States, Garner's low-tax, mainly conservative policies attracted a number of businesses into his native Texas as well as states like Florida, Virginia, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Arkansas.

1932
The Populist Convention was, as in 1920, contentious. A number of different factions either re-emerged or came into being for the first time. The "Wilsonites" of course were looking to nominate Virginia Senator and former Wilson Treasury Secretary William G. McAdoo. The "Old Guard" was pushing the un-inspiring Kentucky Governor Flem D. Sampson. Meanwhile, a new radical faction that seemed to take after Thomas Watson's 1904 coalition was being led by Governor Huey Long of Louisiana. As well, a prohibition faction emerged, supporting former Florida Governor Sidney Johnston Catts. Eventually, McAdoo and Sampson agreed to merge, fearing the "radical and reactionary" pair of Long and Catts. With Sampson himself having a lacklust record as Governor, the obvious choice for the top spot on the ticket was McAdoo despite his age. Sampson was nominated for Vice President. Meanwhile, the Sovereign Party nominated Commerce Secretary Jesse H. Jones of Texas. Running on the slogan "a chicken in every pot" in reaction to the ongoing prosperity, Jones' gain in polling steadily grew throughout the summer and fall.

Commerce Secretary Jesse Jones (S-TX)/Senate Majority Leader Harry F. Byrd (S-VA) 94 electoral votes, 58.3% of the popular vote
Senator William Gibbs McAdoo (P-VA)/Governor Flem D. Sampson (P-KY) 31 electoral votes, 40.2% of the popular vote
Faithless Electors: cast for Governor Huey Long (P-LA), 10 electoral votes, .3% of the popular vote
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« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2012, 06:20:33 PM »

I'd like to make a note about the US-CSA war in the 1940's....by 1944, Arkansas, Kentucky, and Virginia should be occupied. We have made the timelines match up really well so far, so lets not forget about the 1940's war Smiley

Yeah, I was thinking about that. That includes taking away VA for all the post-occupation elections.
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« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2012, 06:51:06 PM »


Ah, I meant KY.
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« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2012, 03:11:54 PM »

President Long's term would be one of the tumultuous in Confederate history. He greatly expanded the social welfare programs first put in place by President Wilson. As well, to finance it, an incredibly large tax was placed on all those making more than  $250,000, CSD. While Congressional Sovereigns protested, Long was able to maintain personal popularity and the support of his constituents. In foreign policy, Long would take a severely anti-Union stance as opposed to his predecessor who had favored a policy of neutrality or in Wilson's case, even cooperation. With the inauguration of US President Douglas MacArthur and nationalism on both sides rising to a fever pitch, the first shots were fired across the Ohio river on December 7th, 1941. With the nations rising to war, Long's popularity--somewhat lagging after losses in the 1940 congressional elections--rose once again and he used the reigns of power to lead the Confederacy into war. Despite the tide turning against the Confederacy early on thanks to superior Union technology and victories in Kentucky, Long's popularity persisted. While some supporters began pushing an amendment to allow the President to run for unlimited terms, it failed in sub-committee and Long was term limited.

1944
The President proudly endorsed his loyal Vice President Claude Pepper at the 1944 PNC. While a grouping of delegates attempted to nominate General George S. Patton who had been the brightest light in the Confederate Army due to his ability so far to stall Union advances in Virginia, Pepper was nominated on the first ballot. For Vice President, Governor William Prentice Cooper of Tennessee was nominated. the Sovereign Party too pushed to nominate Patton, but it wasn't going to happen. Instead, former Governor William H. Murray of Texas was nominated. Largely moderate on economics, he was however able to match any other politician in terms of racist rhetoric. It was hoped these two qualities might produce an electable ticket. To balance the ticket, the much more mellow but also more economically conservative Senator Richard B. Russell of Georgia.

Vice President Claude Pepper (P-FL)/Governor William P. Cooper (P-TN) 67 electoral votes
Former Governor William H. Murray (S-TX)/Senator Richard B. Russell (S-GA) 40 electoral votes

Due to Union occupation of Arkansas, Kentucky, and Virginia, no electors were sent form any of the three to cast their votes in the election.
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« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2012, 06:43:59 PM »

Bump, people.
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« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2012, 06:06:45 PM »

Faulkner would become known less for his policies and more for his eccentricities. His rambling, stream of consciousness addresses to the Senate and to the Confederate people would become a trademark, noted somewhat humorously throughout the history books. As well, rumor often escaped the capital of the President's heavy drinking. Despite personal popularity, some of Falukner's policies, including complete integration, were unpopular. Nevertheless, he was a proud Confederate, and his speeches and foreign policy approach drew on pride for his country's traditions and culture.

1962
Ignited by the debate over integration, former Vice President-turned-Senator Strom Thurmond jumped into the race for the Presidency. On the side for the Populists, meanwhile, Senator Russell Long of Louisiana, son of the late President, was nominated. With Thurmond waging an aggressive campaign, Long instead chose the path of merely defending Faulkner's record, and more importantly, bringing up his father's legacy.

Senator Russell B. Long (P-LA)/Governor Terry Sanford (P-NC) 64 electoral votes
Senator J. Strom Thurmond (S-SC)/Senator John Tower (S-TX) 52 electoral votes
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« Reply #61 on: August 09, 2012, 07:45:33 PM »

Rooney, you're awesome.
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« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2012, 11:27:56 AM »

Guys, we're ahead two years. 1998 should be '96 and '04 should be '02.
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« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2012, 12:21:53 PM »

No were not, as the timeline started in 1866.

Just went through the math. It was 1990 that got screwed up. My bad.
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« Reply #64 on: August 24, 2012, 07:19:47 PM »

Ray, wouldn't TN be Democratic and not AR?
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« Reply #65 on: October 04, 2012, 08:36:55 PM »

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! McKinley can NOT go down! Also, on a lesser note, Teddy was the Governor of NY at the time, no the VP.
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« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2012, 08:20:59 PM »

I'm just wondering how Cleveland of all people was able to get parts of the West. Aside from Bryan (and later WIlson, building off of Bryan), the West was default Republican and would've stayed that way had Dems and Reps not definitely switched on currency issues in 1896. I think that in a Cleveland vs. McKinley race, McKinley would be looked on much more favorably than Cleveland in the West. But that's my two cents. Thinking about doing 1904.
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« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2012, 01:53:43 PM »

C'mon man! Let's see it!
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« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2012, 05:11:50 PM »

1976
Watergate and the resignation of Richard Nixon left the Right in an utter disarray. Democrats and the growing Peace and Freedom Party made large gains in the 1974 mid-terms and as President Ford seemed to be displaying weak leadership, all three opposition parties geared up to oppose the President. With newer Southern Republicans defecting into the American Independent party, Ford was able to cruise to re-nomination against Ronald Reagan in the Republican primary but faced a tough general election, as he faced Democrat Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson, Peace-and-Freedom nominee Eugene McCarthy, and Conservative James L. Buckley (The New York Conservative Party and the American Independent Party merged in 1975 and later nominated a Buckley/Helms ticket to united the two factions).

Senator Henry M. Jackson (D-WA)/Governor James E. Carter (D-GA) 250 electoral votes, 38% of the popular vote
Senator James L. Buckley (C-NY)/Senator Jesse Helms (C-NC) 138 electoral votes, 29% of the popular vote
President Gerald R. Ford (R-MI)/Senator Robert S. Dole (R-KS) 112 electoral votes, 23% of the popular vote
Former Senator Eugene McCarthy (PF-MN)/Congressman Paul N. McCloskey (PF-CA) 38 electoral votes, 9% of the popular vote

In the runoff, both the Right and Left were badly divided. However, for obvious reasons, the Democrats went in with the advantage against the Conservatives. With President Ford and Senator McCarthy both refusing to endorse candidates, animosity between growing wings of the country was growing. In order for each party to expand their base, Jackson began a Western tour where he spoke in states ranging from California to Idaho, in order to nail down Democrats and Peace-Freedomers that supported his stances on government spending and infrastructure projects. Meanwhile, Buckley hit New England and the North-East, his home-region in order to attract Republicans, Conservatives, as well as socially conservative Catholics, the type of people who had elected him to the Senate. As well, both campaigns poured large amounts of money into the Rust Belt, hoping to attract swing voters that leaned Democrat but weren't solidly in either camp. The election would yield interesting results...

Senator Henry M. Jackson (D-WA)/Former Governor James E. Carter (D-GA) 299 electoral votes, 51.3% of the popular vote
Senator James L. Buckley (C-NY)/Senator Jesse Helms (C-NC) 239 electoral votes, 48.7% of the popular vote
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« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2012, 05:22:44 PM »

President Reagan proved a greater compromiser than originally predicted. With a successful economic recovery by 1984, Reagan would prove hard to beat. With the GOP's moderate and conservative wings not fielding a candidate, Mark Hatfield took the GOP nomination. Jimmy Carter, facing primary challenges from Gary Hart and Walter Mondale, found himself leading a deeply divided party. Trying to win labor support, Carter chose one term Governor Bob Casey of Pennsylvania for Vice President. Finally, Patrick Leahy was nominated by the Peace and Freedom party. With Reagan garnering a majority of the electoral vote, he would be the first President since the implementation of the new election system not to face a runoff election.

President Ronald Reagan (C-CA)/Vice President Jack Kemp (C-NY) 282 electoral votes, 42.4% of the popular vote
Former Vice President James E. Carter (D-GA)/Governor Robert P. Casey (D-PA) 114 electoral votes, 29.2% of the popular vote
Senator Mark O. Hatfield (R-OR)/Congressman John B. Anderson (R-IL) 73 electoral votes, 17.3% of the popular vote
Senator Patrick Leahy (PF-VT)/Former Senator Harold Hughes (PF-IA) 69 electoral votes, 10.8% of the popular vote
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« Reply #70 on: October 16, 2012, 04:31:24 PM »

Bump?
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« Reply #71 on: October 23, 2012, 05:20:41 PM »

Ok, the last two posts do not match up at all. First of all, Solopop did 1988, and he did it in error. The run off system was not mentioned, and he used candidates who did not match the parties. Then Sirnick did 1988 again, even though it should be 1992, and again, ignored the last couple of posts in which a runoff was used. I think a redo is in order.

I concur.
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« Reply #72 on: October 25, 2012, 05:30:17 PM »

1868
When Ulysses S. Grant announced he wouldn't be running for President of the United States, the Republican National Convention was thrown into chaos. The emerging nominee was Senator Benjamin Wade of Ohio. Senator Samuel C. Pomeroy of Kansas was nominated for Vice President. Meanwhile, Governor Horatio Seymour's campaign was able to cast the Republican ticket as a pair of Radical Republicans and to pick up supporters in crucial states.

Former Governor Horatio Seymour (D-NY)/Senator Francis Blair Jr. (D-MO) 163 electoral votes, 51% of the popular vote
Senator Benjamin Wade (R-OH)/Senator Samuel Pomery (R-KS) 131 electoral votes, 49%
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« Reply #73 on: October 26, 2012, 04:23:39 PM »

1876
The Panic of 1873 wrecked Seymour's presidency. His insistence on upholding the gold standard in the face of the Panic resulted in massive gains for the Republicans, putting James G. Blaine in the Speaker's chair. The 1876 Republican nomination was a fight between the new Speaker Blaine and various other contenders. However, the final winner was Governor John Hartranft of Pennsylvania. A Civil War general, Hartranft had supporter the rights of workers but when the depression hit had used the power of the militia to keep down strikes. Facing Seymour's Secretary of State William W. Eaton, Hartranft was easily elected following Democratic fatigue and depression.

Governor John Hartranft (R-PA)/Senator Arthur Boreman (R-WV) 246 electoral votes, 52.4% of the popular vote
Secretary of State William Weaton (D-CT)/Governor Thomas Hendricks (D-IN) 123 electoral votes, 46.8% of the popular vote
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« Reply #74 on: October 29, 2012, 06:25:13 PM »

1884
With President Boreman (who had assumed the presidency following the assassination of Hartranft in 1882 by a disgruntled union worker), the 1884 Republican National Convention was filled with chaos. Labeled by one historian as "Conkling's Last Stand", the convention would feature New York Senator Chester Alan Arthur backed by Conkling's machine, Senator John Sherman of Ohio who was brother to the famous Civil War general, the liberal Senator George F. Edmunds of Vermont, and Secretary of State James G. Blaine of Maine. After several ballots and the entrance of Congressman James A. Garfield of Ohio into the mix, things were nowhere closer to being solved than on the first ballot. However, on the eleventh ballot, New York State Assemblyman and delegate Theodore Roosevelt was able to bring together a coalition nominating Sherman as a compromise candidate. Much to Roosevelt's derision however, Senator Arthur was nominated for Vice President.

The Democrats meanwhile nominated former Governor Tilden who had reluctantly agreed to a draft. For Vice President, Governor Thomas Hendricks was nominated. With Tilden and his surrogates working hard to attack the Republican ticket as the result of "Conkling and his machine", and Tilden pledging to end Republican patronage, the Democrats were looking at potential victory. However, Republican and their electoral strength were hard to contend with. It was only when a Republican preacher, standing next to Edmunds, derided the Democrats as the party of "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion" that Democrats really took the advantage.

Former Senator Samuel J. Tilden (D-NY)/Governor Thomas Hendricks (D-IN) 213 electoral votes, 49% of the popular vote
Senator John Sherman (R-OH)/Senator Chester Alan Arthur (R-NY) 188 electoral votes, 48% of the popular vote
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