Big Redistricting News Out Of PA!

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Yawn. The legislature will simply pass another gerrymander even if this monkey business comes to pass.

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Yawn. The legislature will simply pass another gerrymander even if this monkey business comes to pass.

and Tom Wolf will veto it.

And we will override the veto. Fun times.

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You don't have a 2/3s majority in the PA house. Can't override Wolf's Veto.

Ah, young grasshopper! That leaves the GOP a few votes short of a veto override. We will find allies in the Pennsylvania state legislature such as the Democratic friends of Philadelphia party boss Bob Brady.

I remember in 2011 when I warned liberals that we would enlist Clay/Cleaver allies to vote for Congressional redistricting and they did not want to believe me. And then Clay/cleaver allies delivered the votes to override Jay Nixon's veto of the redistricting. It was the first veto override of that governor.

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History has a way of repeating itself.

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You don't have a 2/3s majority in the PA house. Can't override Wolf's Veto.

Ah, young grasshopper! That leaves the GOP a few votes short of a veto override. We will find allies in the Pennsylvania state legislature such as the Democratic friends of Philadelphia party boss Bob Brady.

I remember in 2011 when I warned liberals that we would enlist Clay/Cleaver allies to vote for Congressional redistricting and they did not want to believe me. And then Clay/cleaver allies delivered the votes to override Jay Nixon's veto of the redistricting. It was the first veto override of that governor.

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History has a way of repeating itself.

Two problems I see with this - perhaps you could enlighten me on either of these things. First the map, if redrawn, will probably be handed down from the Democrat dominated court rather than left to the State like in Florida. The court will pick a map/draw its own, then encourage the legislature it can change it in little ways if it doesn't like it.

Second, in 2010, the Republicans controlled everything. They had the power to promise concessions beyond the shape of their districts to the Philly machine. Now with wolf in the Governors mansion, Democrats can offer their own deals if it truly comes to this in regards to redistricting.

In the past, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has recently invalidated the 2011 legislative redistricting due to an excess of county splits.

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So the 2012 elections were held under the 2001 maps which greatly favored the Democrat party due to their districts being grossly underpopulated. Perhaps the 2018 congressional elections will be held under the existing set of maps while the legislature redraws the maps. There is no precedent for what you seek.

Partisan gerrymandering itself was already upheld by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and even the US Supreme Court in Vieth v Jubelier and the related state level cases.

Wolf is meaningless. The real issue is that Matt Cartwright will want to preserve a winnable district for himself, and Bob Brady will want to make sure his district is not overloaded with blacks so that the 1st district will continue to elect white liberals.

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Oh, this business that Brady needed more white votes, and thus needed a CD that left Philly, is just not supported by the numbers. In my map, his CD is 23.5% BVAP. I suspect some Pubs made that one up as their own little urban legend, to justify their gerrymander as not entirely partisan in that it helped Brady, and Krazen picked up on it to troll us.

Well, these are the accounts of the activities from 2011. Brady's district went the other way into Northeast Philadelphia. In his great wisdom Brady preserved 3 districts for Philadelphia Democrats, and 2 districts for Philadelphia white Democrats...despite the city having 2 districts worth of population.

Jason Altmire also supported the map.

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Dem. City Committee Chairman and U.S. Congressman Bob Brady lobbied his allies in Harrisburg to vote for the map, and it wasn’t too bad for Rep. Chaka Fattah either. These 18 Democrats aren’t necessarily Brady’s people (though many are), but they’re in the Philly orbit and voted for the map:

Louise Bishop, Vanessa Brown, Michelle Brownlee, Mark Cohen, Angel Cruz, Margo Davidson, Maria Donatucci, Kenyatta Johnson, William Keller, Thaddeus Kirkland, John Myers, Cherelle Parker, James Roebuck, John Sabatina, Curtis Thomas, Ron Waters, Jewell Williams, and Rosita Youngblood.
Brady ally Tina Tartaglione cast the deciding vote in favor of the plan in the Pa. Senate State Government Committee last week (it passed committee 6-5; she voted against it on the Senate floor).

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Two problems I see with this - perhaps you could enlighten me on either of these things. First the map, if redrawn, will probably be handed down from the Democrat dominated court rather than left to the State like in Florida. The court will pick a map/draw its own, then encourage the legislature it can change it in little ways if it doesn't like it.

Second, in 2010, the Republicans controlled everything. They had the power to promise concessions beyond the shape of their districts to the Philly machine. Now with wolf in the Governors mansion, Democrats can offer their own deals if it truly comes to this in regards to redistricting.

Redistricting per the precedents of both the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and even the US Supreme Court is a legislative function.

It is entirely unclear where the words 'probably' and 'will' come from. If you operate under the assumption that the court will simply act like a partisan legislature and simply disregard all other things, they may do what you claim. All I can do is point to how things have gone in the past with regards to this Court and also Congressman Brady.

All states in this great Nation are guaranteed a Republican Form of Government.