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« on: February 18, 2010, 10:43:57 AM »

David Boren, Governor of Oklahoma (1975-1979) and U.S. Senator from Oklahoma (1979-1994).

Conservative Democrat known for his support of tax cuts, free trade and welfare reform. Barry Goldwater was on record that he would endorse Boren if he ever decided to run for President.
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 10:48:33 AM »

Compared to most Okie politicians now days (including his DINO son Dan) the man is a total FF. Overall.....I lean neutral.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 10:48:54 AM »

FF, duh
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2010, 06:56:38 PM »

FF.  Now, he is the President of the University of Oklahoma and is doing a great job there.  I agree that compared to some of the other Oklahoma politicians, he was a breath of fresh air.  Too bad he's retired from politics.  His son, Dan, while a DINO in many respects, is still the best representative Oklahoma currently has.  Mary Fallin comes pretty close, but I like Dan Boren better.  David was the best Senator in Oklahoma during my lifetime, but his successor, James Inhofe, is well.... you know my stance on him...  Although, David's Oklahoma colleague Don Nickles wasn't too bad himself.  He was actually a sane Republican in Oklahoma.  His successor, Tom Coburn, isn't the worst thing Oklahoma has ever seen (that would be his colleague, the aforementioned J.I.), but that's not saying a whole lot.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2010, 07:35:59 PM »

HP

Participated in an attempt to suppress free speech at the University of Oklahoma during the Vietnam War.

Voted for Robert Bork.

Voted for Clarence Thomas.

Voted against the Windfall Property Tax.

Supported Union busting laws in Oklahoma.

Opposed the liberation of Kuwait in 1991. 
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2010, 08:21:29 PM »

Erudite hypocrite.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 08:26:22 PM »

Goldwater's support alone makes me say HP.
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2010, 09:49:35 AM »

HP

He was a liberal who liked to play conservative for halloween
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2010, 09:50:11 AM »

Idiot-populist.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2010, 09:51:24 AM »

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He was a liberal who liked to play conservative for halloween

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
You obviously don't know jacksh*t about Oklahoma politics.
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2010, 09:56:22 AM »

HP

He was a liberal who liked to play conservative for halloween

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
You obviously don't know jacksh*t about Oklahoma politics.

I know that you have two of the best men in the senate right now.  I know that most of your congressmen and 2 of your former congressmen wats and Largent are among the best ever.  I know that oklahoma people have values and faith and beleive in america and freedom.

how come you dont?
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2010, 09:57:16 AM »

HP

He was a liberal who liked to play conservative for halloween

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
You obviously don't know jacksh*t about Oklahoma politics.

I know that you have two of the best men in the senate right now.  I know that most of your congressmen and 2 of your former congressmen wats and Largent are among the best ever.  I know that oklahoma people have values and faith and beleive in america and freedom.

how come you dont?

It's called populism, and it's what idiotic lower-class whites who call themselves "conservatives" really are. It's the political philosophy of choice for the lowest-common-denominator.
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2010, 10:31:38 AM »



Opposed the liberation of Kuwait in 1991. 

Actually, this is the only thing I can think of right now that I don't like about Boren. 
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2010, 10:35:12 AM »


He was a strong free trader, moderate government shrinker and usually supported business over unions. That is populism?
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2010, 10:39:51 AM »


He was a strong free trader, moderate government shrinker and usually supported business over unions. That is populism?

By "moderate government shrinker", you mean "didn't even touch the unshrinkable Oklahoman government". Moreover, he was a populist on the social spectrum, lying to his retarded constituency for votes.
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2010, 10:57:49 AM »



By "moderate government shrinker", you mean "didn't even touch the unshrinkable Oklahoman government". Moreover, he was a populist on the social spectrum, lying to his retarded constituency for votes.

I meant more something along the "first Democrat to support meaningful welfare reform back when Bill Clinton was still in political diapers". Also, by your definition, almost any politician could be labeled as populist, except the few hardcore libertarians. What are people like Bob Casey (Sr. and Jr.), Gene Taylor or even Mike Huckabee then? Megaturbosuperduper populists?
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2010, 11:01:33 AM »



By "moderate government shrinker", you mean "didn't even touch the unshrinkable Oklahoman government". Moreover, he was a populist on the social spectrum, lying to his retarded constituency for votes.

I meant more something along the "first Democrat to support meaningful welfare reform back when Bill Clinton was still in political diapers".

When he was posturing as head of the DLC? Sure. As a legitimate public servant? Not so much.

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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2010, 11:01:57 AM »

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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2010, 11:57:25 AM »

HP

He was a liberal who liked to play conservative for halloween

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
You obviously don't know jacksh*t about Oklahoma politics.

I know that you have two of the best men in the senate right now.  I know that most of your congressmen and 2 of your former congressmen wats and Largent are among the best ever.  I know that oklahoma people have values and faith and beleive in america and freedom.

how come you dont?

Hey newflash "Coburn",
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=20737
Tom Coburn voted for the Second Economic Package, "Mr. Fiscal Conservative" my ass.
Interesting fact: Bernie Sanders, THE ONLY GUY IN CONGRESS WHO ADMITS TO BEING A SOCIALIST, voted "no". How does it feel to know that your hero is more of a socialist than Bernie Sanders when it comes to wasting good money?
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2010, 06:50:29 PM »

While I don't know a huge amount about him, he must be to the right of the average Republican if he could win 83% in Oklahoma in 1990.
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2010, 07:09:07 PM »

While I don't know a huge amount about him, he must be to the right of the average Republican if he could win 83% in Oklahoma in 1990.

Well, you need to remember that Oklahoma was more Democratic in 1990 than it is in 2010.  Not only did we have a Democratic Senator, but we were electing a Democratic Governor (David Walters) and Bush, Sr. didn't have an extremely easy ride in Oklahoma in 1988.  He still won handily, but that was largely a result of the national landslide against Dukakis, but Oklahoma definitely didn't vote for Bush Sr the way we voted for Dubya in 2004 and McCain in 2008, where in both elections, the Democratic challenger didn't even muster one single county.  We do have a Democratic Governor now, and have a good chance of electing another Democratic Governor in November (Jari Askins), but we are a lot more Republican than 20 years ago.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2010, 08:00:27 PM »

While I don't know a huge amount about him, he must be to the right of the average Republican if he could win 83% in Oklahoma in 1990.

Well, you need to remember that Oklahoma was more Democratic in 1990 than it is in 2010.  Not only did we have a Democratic Senator, but we were electing a Democratic Governor (David Walters) and Bush, Sr. didn't have an extremely easy ride in Oklahoma in 1988.  He still won handily, but that was largely a result of the national landslide against Dukakis, but Oklahoma definitely didn't vote for Bush Sr the way we voted for Dubya in 2004 and McCain in 2008, where in both elections, the Democratic challenger didn't even muster one single county.  We do have a Democratic Governor now, and have a good chance of electing another Democratic Governor in November (Jari Askins), but we are a lot more Republican than 20 years ago.

Didn't OK take a very sharp turn to the right in 1994?
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2010, 10:31:56 PM »

FF, more so then his son.
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2010, 12:31:01 AM »

While I don't know a huge amount about him, he must be to the right of the average Republican if he could win 83% in Oklahoma in 1990.

Well, you need to remember that Oklahoma was more Democratic in 1990 than it is in 2010.  Not only did we have a Democratic Senator, but we were electing a Democratic Governor (David Walters) and Bush, Sr. didn't have an extremely easy ride in Oklahoma in 1988.  He still won handily, but that was largely a result of the national landslide against Dukakis, but Oklahoma definitely didn't vote for Bush Sr the way we voted for Dubya in 2004 and McCain in 2008, where in both elections, the Democratic challenger didn't even muster one single county.  We do have a Democratic Governor now, and have a good chance of electing another Democratic Governor in November (Jari Askins), but we are a lot more Republican than 20 years ago.

Didn't OK take a very sharp turn to the right in 1994?

I think it was more of a gradual turn to the right, starting with Jim Inhofe filling David Boren's seat.  It continued with the election of Frank Keating as Governor in the 1994 mid-terms and then gradually went to the right in the late 1990s.  Dubya had an easier time against Gore than Dole did against Clinton and Dole had an easier time with Clinton than Bush Sr did against Clinton.  Dubya had an easier time against Kerry than against Gore.  Our turn to the right really slowed when we elected Brad Henry to the Governor's Mansion in 2002 and he creamed his Republican Challenger, Ernest Istook in 2006.  Coburn is socially very conservative, but he's also moderately liberal economically.  It's because of the last decade that I can see us electing Jari Askins to fill Henry's seat this year. 
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