SUPERIMPERIALIST AMERICA ERA ONE: The Ascent to Domination (1844-1991)

[ilikeverin]

How do you pick who wins the states/provinces?  Just interested...

[Siege40]

I know nothing of canada, other than it doesn't seem to have a culture distinct from our own and it has a nasty climate, but I'm sure you can find some canadophile to pick apart your predictions about our northern neighbors.  Seems that you should color the western provinces (except BC) the same as wyoming and idaho, given recent trends.  The same sorts of rugged individualist small government gun nuts who move to the rockies in this country seem to be attracted to the western extremities of the northern great plains in Canada.

No reason to be making fun of Canada. Especially about Culture, that's a raw nerve. Canada, even back way when already showed signs of its... divergent leftness? What an interesting term, can I copyright that? The Canadian Socialist movement began in Southern and Central Alberta and quickly spread throughout the West, so much for that right minded western Canada theory, it wasn't that way early on. Canada at this stage would likely be for strong centralized government, and be less concerned about individual state/province rights. Canada is a Federation after all, despite what people in Alberta and Quebec want. I also wanted to point out that the proper terms for people from Quebec is Quebecois, or in English we usually call them Quebec(k)ers.

I think that I should point out that keeping an Empire together like this at this period in history would be difficult, perhaps the early advent of the telegraph (I'm not sure when it was invented) or the telephone (Invented by a Canadian in the late 1800's I could get a date for you) could alleviate some of these early problems. And given that the Natives in this timeline didn't just flee into Canada you've got thousands of pissed off natives waiting for you in the West, I.E. there's trouble a-brewin'.

Siege

[© tweed]

I didn't know Alex Graham Bell was a Canadian.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Alberta is conservative... Saskatchewan, Manitoba and BC are not.
Don't confuse a vote for the Canadian Alliance as a vote for the Canadian Alliance... for a lot of Westerners in the 90's it was a way of saying " you Ottawa!"
Note that the Conservative Party of Canada is polling considerably lower in Saskatchewan than the CA used to... and the NDP are back on top!
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Provincially, the only reason why BC has a right wing BC "Liberals" government is because the previous Glen Clark government ed up in a big way. The BCLibs now trial the BC NDP in the polls.
In Manitoba, the NDP was re-elected in a landslide last year... and in Saskatchewan the NDP has won the last 4 elections.

[Polkergeist]

Great TL ! it was so good it enticed me to join the board. I have two questions:

1. From which site did you get the maps that were larger than the US?

2. Any plans for India or Australia?

[Fritz]

I like how Polk ran for two terms. Polk is one of the 5 greatest presidents. I rate him as number 4.

Here is a problem with this timeline right from the get-go.  Polk died only a few months after leaving office.  Had he run for a second term, and won, he would not have lasted long.

[PBrunsel]

That's true.

[7,052,770]

I mention in my timeline that he does not contract cholera.

[PBrunsel]

I mention in my timeline that he does not contract cholera.

I read it again, I see it now.

[ilikeverin]

How do you pick who wins the states/provinces?  Just interested...

Also, how do you find out how many EV's the non-real-US states get?

[7,052,770]

how do you find out how many EV's the non-real-US states get?

Estimations of their population i suppose.  Also, i referenced Southerners coming to central america, so i raised those.

[12th Doctor]

This is really great Harry.  I'm sorry that I missed this for so long.  Awesome man, keep it up.  But you need to come-up with an event that breaks the Progressives control.  Just a thought.

[dunn]

This is really great Harry.  I'm sorry that I missed this for so long.  Awesome man, keep it up.  But you need to come-up with an event that breaks the Progressives control.  Just a thought.

progressives rule!

[12th Doctor]

I also must say that for some reason the thought of this whole thing happening is kinda scary.

Also, I read much of this in dread because I was waiting for some event that caused the break-up of the USA.  Plunging America into the status of the current Russian Federation or Britian after the break-up of the Empire.  I think that you are driving to that though.  That's gonna be kinda cool to see how you figure that one out.

[12th Doctor]

This is really great Harry.  I'm sorry that I missed this for so long.  Awesome man, keep it up.  But you need to come-up with an event that breaks the Progressives control.  Just a thought.

progressives rule!

When you have total party control like this, there is always some event that causes realignment.

[dunn]

true

[Lunar]

He's intentionally keeping progressive control to keep up the expansionism.  The other party is going to adopt the issue if it is wildly popular, no one runs with an issue that 70% disagree with.  Maybe not the historic candidates though, since their viewpoints don't give you much breathing room for party changes.

[Polkergeist]

I wouldn't worry about indefinate progressive domination of this TL simply because of what happened to the early 20th century progressives in real history. I think its a fair bet to say that most of them, well at least the rural component vote GOP today.

[7,052,770]

Part 3:

1905—Taft is inaugurated.  Germany and Austria-Hungary offer the US a position in their new Triple Alliance.  TR, who seems to still be in charge in the shadows, encourages the Senate to approve this and they do.  Britain, Spain, Italy, France, and Russia form the Quintuple Entente to counter this new alliance. 

1906—TR negotiates and end to some conflicts in North Africa and Asia.  He is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

1907—The western part of Oklahoma becomes a state [the eastern part remains Indian Territory].  Liberia applies for statehood but is turned down for the time being.

1908—Germany and Britain are on the brink of war.  Sen. Bryan professes that America needs to get out of the Triple Alliance while they still can.  Bryan again receives the nomination from the Conservative Party, but this time his VP is John Kern.  Seeing Taft as unpopular, and not wanting Bryan to ascend to the presidency, Theodore Roosevelt challenges Taft for the Progressive nomination and receives it.  Undaunted, Taft runs his own Incumbency Independent campaign, but in the end, he only wins Utah and Vermont.  Thanks to the solid Spanish states, Roosevelt is reelected.


1909—At the Paris Conference, the Quintuple Entente agrees to declare a preventive war on the Triple Alliance soon.  A German operative gets word of this, and TR is notified.  He notifies Germany and A-H.  The three nations solidify their alliance and attempt to bring in Portugal, Belgium, and the Netherlands into the alliance.  The war begins on July 1.  Japan joins the Triple Alliance [US] for the Asian front.
Prewar Maps—Green is TA, Red is QE




1910—The war involves much fighting.  The TA makes advances in Europe, Africa, and Asia.  American troops land in Spain, France, and Britain.

1911—The war drags on, with the TA gaining the upper hand.  The TA drives the QE off the entire continent of Africa.  Late in the year, the American soldiers have totally subjugated the British Isles and have jailed the king and queen.  America declares itself heir to the British Empire.  American troops capture all of Spain on the last day of the year.

1912--In Europe, France is totally conquered by the US.  Italy and Russia surrender; the war is over.  The postwar maps:



The US grants South Asian independence.  Africa is divided among the US and other parties.  The US decides that it will permanently occupy Spain, France, and Britain, and admit them into statehood when they are ready.  It further decides that anyone living in any US possession is a US citizen.

[JohnFKennedy]

Last installment is THE most unlikely thing I have ever heard, but interesting still lol.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Britain would have to be divided up... the population is too big for one state.

How about:

Scotland
Wales
Northumbria (Northumberland, Durham, Cumberland, Westmoreland, Yorkshire, Lancashire)
Anglia (everything else?)
Could also have: Mercia (midlands) and/or Wessex (Cornwall, Devon et al)

[??????????]

How about ALL of Ireland free? North Ireland being liberated and allowed to be back with the rest of Ireland?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

How about ALL of Ireland free? North Ireland being liberated and allowed to be back with the rest of Ireland?

While 45% of NI would agree with you, 55% would hate you.
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BTW in 1912, all of Ireland was part of the UK

[Siege40]

This has gone from Unlikely to completely insane...

Siege

[Gustaf]

This has gone from Unlikely to completely insane...

Siege

Yes. But it's still kind of cool...