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Question: Will Obama lose Michigan?
#1
Only if Romney is the nominee
 
#2
He will get owned
 
#3
Michigan is Democrat now and forever
 
#4
It'll be close
 
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Total Voters: 66

Author Topic: Does Obama stand a chance in Michigan?  (Read 7459 times)
pbrower2a
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« on: July 18, 2009, 10:27:51 PM »

Romney makes it closer; Palin, Huckabee, Gingrich, and Barbour will be disasters in Michigan -- but such will be the least of their concerns.
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2009, 10:46:48 PM »

Majority of people are dumb in Michigan if they reelect Obama when their economy is in the tank and only gets worse.  Are they brain dead up there or is there something in the water?

Here's a dose of reality for you. Michigan's economy being in the tank long predated President Obama taking office - and in case you didn't know, at this point in time, the 'Great Recession' continues to rage

And if we are going to hurl the word "dumb" around, how about this for good measure? The only "dumbs" were those who rolled the die on the prosperity back in 2000 when they elected Bush, who proved to be somewhat inept when you compare the starting point of his presidency with the end point. There is a world of difference between one president being bequeathed a robust economy that had generated 23 million new jobs and a federal government living well within its means and another being bequeathed an economy losing jobs at a rate not seen since the recession of 1981/82 and mammoth deficits - and at the time when spending needs to be accelerated to counter the downturn

The only certainty is that Michigan's plight would be a hell of a lot worse had a Republican allowed GM to go down. This president is proving he has the guts to take tough, though not necessarily popular decisions, and that is leadership Smiley

They still failed, and now we have less economic independence. Lose-Lose.
People might as well live in a 3rd world country if they're going to vote for Obama again and see their state fail even more. 

What if they see some improvement (auto sales rebound) while Obama  is President? Michigan is about dead-center... within the Blue Firewall, that is. It is farther from going Republican than Texas is from going Democratic. As it is, more cars are being scrapped than being made in a time in which people need cars no less than they used to. They may be driving less, but the lesser driving is a reduction in recreational driving. Such bodes well for a revived auto industry.

Michigan is essentially Minnesota or Wisconsin politically, except with more blacks. Michigan seemed a possible pickup for John McCain -- until the Hard Right left some doubt over who would be the real boss in a McCain Presidency.

I fully understand what the Right suggests for Michigan: tax "reform" that would shift taxes from the state income tax to a huge sales tax, sale of the expressway system to profiteering monopolies, and a Right-to-Work (for much less) law. In short, Michigan would become Texas with nasty winters. Workers would end up with higher taxes and lower wages, and no certainty of more work.

Guess what? That is no solution to a state with a very cyclical economy. Texas has the same boom-and-bust cycle with petroleum.

Even in good times, Detroit is a big problem because of its machine-boss government and related corruption. Such corruption would not be removed with tax "reform", sell-off of public assets, or a Right-to-Starve law.  The political crooks would still have their fingers in others' pockets. Rural Michigan, which has many of the auto suppliers and tool-and-die shops, reels too. Methamphetamine activity flourishes.

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2009, 05:09:01 AM »


People might as well live in a 3rd world country if they're going to vote for Obama again and see their state fail even more. 

Does that statement have a tinge of racism? Obama didn't need African ancestry to be the sort of leader that we have. For real decay of America, Americans might have the chance to get Dubya's ideology on steroids in 2012, if without the overt kleptocracy.

If you want a more relevant comparison, Dubya = Ferdinanad Marcos.

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 06:17:52 AM »

It'll be close.  Anybody who voted for options 2 or 3 is an idiot.

The alternatives that you didn't offer included:

"Michigan is so strongly Democratic that Obama would have to foul up badly to lose it in 2012"

"The GOP has a bigger chance of dying or becoming irrelevant than of carrying Michigan before 2020"

"The GOP will have to clean up its act before it stands a chance in Michigan".

"Michigan will lean strongly Democratic for a long time"

This poll offered what logicians call a false dichotomy -- and leaving more poor options makes the fallacy no less blatant.
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