UK General Discussion: 2019 and onwards, The End of May

[CumbrianLefty]

Fwiw it’s hard to argue that the Labour Party, nor the party membership doesn’t have some sort of inbuild problem with electing a female leader considering that in the 2015 selection you had a hard left man, a soft left man and an old right man beat female candidates from the left, soft left and right of the party.

And ofc it’s not as if any faction has a monopoly on purity- Brown treated Harriet Harman awfully, and his staff were hideously blokely, but equally there’s a reason why McDonell and co talk up Rebecca Long Bailey, Pidock and others as the next leader- because everyone knows it’s going to most likely be a female leader next.

Cooper and (especially) Kendall did badly in 2015 because they were too right wing, not because they were women. A woman was Watson's strongest challenger then as well (and I voted for her)

Rayner is IMO more likely to be the next leader than RLB, and Pidcock is still too young (unless Jez goes on even longer than his most fervent fans expect)

[Blair]

Fwiw it’s hard to argue that the Labour Party, nor the party membership doesn’t have some sort of inbuild problem with electing a female leader considering that in the 2015 selection you had a hard left man, a soft left man and an old right man beat female candidates from the left, soft left and right of the party.

And ofc it’s not as if any faction has a monopoly on purity- Brown treated Harriet Harman awfully, and his staff were hideously blokely, but equally there’s a reason why McDonell and co talk up Rebecca Long Bailey, Pidock and others as the next leader- because everyone knows it’s going to most likely be a female leader next.

Cooper and (especially) Kendall did badly in 2015 because they were too right wing, not because they were women. A woman was Watson's strongest challenger then as well (and I voted for her)

Rayner is IMO more likely to be the next leader than RLB, and Pidcock is still too young (unless Jez goes on even longer than his most fervent fans expect)

I mean the best example of it was I knew lots of people who voted Corbyn but militantly refused to vote for Dianne Abbott in the Mayoral Selection.

Of course that's partly because it was Dianne Abbott, but would be equally true when Keir Starmer somehow wins the next leadership election against Thornberry, Cooper and Rayner.

It's also worth noting Labour doesn't have a single female metro mayor, or as Scottish/Welsh Leader. It just seems strange for a party that has such a large female talent base both in the PLP and Cllrs.

[CumbrianLefty]

Of course, we have had two female Scottish leaders.

It is not unfair comment that neither were exactly a roaring success.

I like Starmer, but I certainly would think Thornberry is ahead of him in the queue right now. Partly that is because she *is* indeed a woman who might be acceptable to a left leaning membership.

(as far as the 2015 London mayoral vote is concerned, its not as if the winner was a white man is it)

[DaWN]

I'm not sure it's fair to say Labour have much of a problem with electing women leaders. It's just whenever women have stood for the leader, they've tended to be a bit crap (see Cooper; Kendall)

Abbott not winning the mayoral selection is again just a symptom of Abbott being Abbott rather than a gender problem.

[PSOL]

https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1112101913150062592

This is a troll account.

[DaWN]

https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1112101913150062592

This is a troll account.

DeltaPoll is a legitimate (as far as British pollsters go) poll.

DeltaPoll literally haven't even been around long enough to prove if they are legitimate or not. I'm aware clinging to a narrative without it being backed up by any actual evidence is a Corbynite hobby, but if you seriously think a near-margin of error lead in a dodgy poll means an inevitable socialist landslide, then you'll be disappointed.

Oh wait. Forgot who I was talking to. Never mind, Corbyn is infallible and Labour will win all 650 seats because everyone loves socialism.

[DaWN]

https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1112101913150062592

This is a troll account.

DeltaPoll is a legitimate (as far as British pollsters go) poll.

DeltaPoll literally haven't even been around long enough to prove if they are legitimate or not. I'm aware clinging to a narrative without it being backed up by any actual evidence is a Corbynite hobby, but if you seriously think a near-margin of error lead in a dodgy poll means an inevitable socialist landslide, then you'll be disappointed.

Oh wait. Forgot who I was talking to. Never mind, Corbyn is infallible and Labour will win all 650 seats because everyone loves socialism.

when you're definitely not mad at all

Yeah, well, when my country is about to get completely f!cked and your messiah has done nothing to oppose it it's not inconceivable I'd be a bit mad.

[CumbrianLefty]

Actually I was being "unfair" to Scottish Labour in my above post, they have had *3* women leaders. The third being Wendy Alexander, who was in post for about 15 minutes before being forced out in what was (and even appeared to be at the time) a totally footling non-"scandal".

This could really be one of those "sliding doors" moments - given a chance she might have saved the party in Scotland to at least some degree. As it was, her successor Iain Gray was one of the worst party leaders this country has seen in living memory, and undoubtedly helped along the first big SNP breakthrough in 2011.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Sunday papers aren't exactly happy about the general election rumours...

[CumbrianLefty]

Oh dear, re some of the above posts we aren't back to "nasty Corbyn won't press his magic STOP BREXIT button" are we?? In case anybody has missed it, most Labour MPs including their leader voted for a second referendum this week. And got called traitors by the Mail and Sun for not supporting May's wretched deal.

[DINGO Joe]

I don't know why I find an Irish website using Simpson memes to make fun of brexit so funny, but I do.

https://twitter.com/iresimpsonsfans

[Pericles]

I don't know why I find an Irish website using Simpson memes to make fun of brexit so funny, but I do.

https://twitter.com/iresimpsonsfans

Thank you for sharing this, it's brilliant.

[CumbrianLefty]

The petition to revoke A50 has just passed 6 million signatures.

[Omega21]

The petition to revoke A50 has just passed 6 million signatures.

I guess a new vote should be held if it gets 17,410,743 real signatures.

[brucejoel99]

The petition to revoke A50 has just passed 6 million signatures.

I guess a new vote should be held if it gets 17,410,743 real signatures.

Found Andrea Leadsom's Atlas account.

[CumbrianLefty]

The petition to revoke A50 has just passed 6 million signatures.

I guess a new vote should be held if it gets 17,410,743 real signatures.

This really isn't the killer point that people like you imagine it is.

[Horus]

Only a matter of months until PM Corbyn then, right?

[DaWN]

Only a matter of months until PM Corbyn then, right?

Saying something enough times doesn't make it reality

[CumbrianLefty]

It had a question mark attached, or did you miss that?

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Only a matter of months until PM Corbyn then, right?

Yup.

[MillennialModerate]

Only a matter of months until PM Corbyn then, right?

Yup.

LOL oh please. That’s not happening.

[MillennialModerate]

Curious what everyone thinks what’s going to come of Brexit mess in coming weeks... May’s Deal Passes, NO Deal, General election or Second Referendum?

It seems to me, despite it being a horrific deal, that MP’s are giving in to May and laying down. They all said she would box them into a my deal or the highway situation and now here they are letting her do just that!

[CumbrianLefty]

Somewhat curious where you get that impression from, given what is happening in the HoC right now.

[DaWN]

Curious what everyone thinks what’s going to come of Brexit mess in coming weeks... May’s Deal Passes, NO Deal, General election or Second Referendum?

Always assume the worst, so no deal.

It seems to me, despite it being a horrific deal, that MP’s are giving in to May and laying down. They all said she would box them into a my deal or the highway situation and now here they are letting her do just that!

Errrrrr... what precisely leads you to this conclusion?

[MillennialModerate]

Curious what everyone thinks what’s going to come of Brexit mess in coming weeks... May’s Deal Passes, NO Deal, General election or Second Referendum?

Always assume the worst, so no deal.

It seems to me, despite it being a horrific deal, that MP’s are giving in to May and laying down. They all said she would box them into a my deal or the highway situation and now here they are letting her do just that!

Errrrrr... what precisely leads you to this conclusion?

It went from a majority of 200+, to 140, to 58.. and now slowly more names are trickling in