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DavidB.
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« on: September 08, 2015, 01:10:41 PM »

I'm trying to work out who that bizarre story reflects worse on and I'm not sure...
On the Tories. Like, lol, "one of our ministers is secretly a member of the opposition party that opposes her very own policies." Oops.
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DavidB.
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2015, 02:37:07 PM »

What politician best represents the median British voter? It would have to be someone leftish on economics and rightish on a lot of social and defence issues (though liberal on things like gay rights and abortion) while being iffy about the EU. Perhaps the recently deceased former Labour Chancellor?
Funnily, this probably describes not only the median British voter but also the median voter in plenty of other Western European countries. That is exactly why new-right parties can be successful, because they operate from a framework that lacks a historical ideology and can be center-left on the economy while being "conservative" on sovereignity/national issues and not too offensive on "social" issues.

Sorry for derailing this thread, which ought to be about Britain, but I found the fact that the profile of the median voter is probably quite similar to other countries very striking.
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DavidB.
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2015, 02:56:36 PM »

Who are these people who like tuition fees?
People who think it's fair that one pay at least a fair share of one's own education?
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2015, 04:09:12 PM »
« Edited: October 16, 2015, 04:16:05 PM by DavidB. »

I don't really see what's fair about being put into crushing debt for a degree that may not even get one a job but whatever you say.
This is strawmanning. I wasn't talking about tuition fees that "put people into crushing debt". However, Dutch tuition fees of around 2000 euros a year (and grants for people from low-income backgrounds) seem reasonable to me.

I find it hard to believe that one could in good faith argue that one should have to pay one's own money for the minimum level of education required to do respectably in the world. Previously in most places that level of education was high school. In today's economy it's college. If free university was good enough for a Britain in which a university education wasn't strictly speaking necessary for most people, it certainly ought to be good enough for a Britain in which one is.
Most people in highly developed countries still didn't do a program in higher education and most of them end up in perfectly respectable jobs. Of course this is not to say that people should be held back by their background, everyone who has the brains should be able to do a higher education program, but I find many jobs for people with lower education highly respectable, to be honest oftentimes even more so than the jobs for higher educated people.

And of course it was easier to have no tuition fees in a Britain that had a far smaller amount of students. It would be highly costly not to have any form of contribution by students.

Of course modern American and British tuition fees are too high, but scrapping them altogether doesn't seem reasonable to me either. There is no such thing as a free lunch, and it seems best that both the government (i.e. the tax payer) and the student contribute some share to the student's education.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2016, 11:25:23 AM »

Good.
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2016, 02:36:48 PM »

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DavidB.
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2017, 10:36:59 AM »

A socialist labour party for euroscepticism for the win!

Out of curiosity, why don't you like the EU?

I imagine because of the neoliberal-austerity argument, rather than the "take back control" one?
Both tbh.
The only right answer, imo.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2017, 04:53:23 PM »

How do we live in times where I agree much more often with Antonio than with Vosem now?
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