IA PrimD: PPP: Hillary more than doubles Sanders

[Fusionmunster]

You made the claim that Hillary is suddenly doing a lot better. I first mentioned IBD/TIPP, but then also added the other 2 of the last 3 national polls, and they show that she's not doing any better than earlier polls that included Biden. No, I never claimed IBD/TIPP was the gold standard.

No I didnt...

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You made the claim that Hillary is suddenly doing a lot better. I first mentioned IBD/TIPP, but then also added the other 2 of the last 3 national polls, and they show that she's not doing any better than earlier polls that included Biden. No, I never claimed IBD/TIPP was the gold standard.

No I didnt...

OK, it wasn't you, it was Icespear. Anyways, that's why I was mentioning the recent national polls.

[eric82oslo]

The polls in Iowa have really been bi-modal. And naturally, PPP sides with the colleges that have ridiculous Hillary leads.

32-41 point leads:
PPP
Monmouth University
Loras College

3-11 point leads:
CBS/YouGov
Quinnipiac
Des Moines Register/Bloomberg/Selzer (rated A+ by 538)
NBC/WSJ/Marist
Gravis Marketing/One America News

You left out the fact that the first three are also the most recent. All the others were conducted before Biden's announcement/the Benghazi hearing, and the last two were even from before the debate.

All of those polls didn't include Biden though, so it would mean that Clinton's lead increased by 20ish points (almost) solely due to the Benghazi hearing. That just seems odd given that the average caucus goer probably didn't even watch the hearing.

It was first after the Benghazi hearing of 11 hours slam dunk Michael Johnson basketball brilliance that everyone were saying that she had the general in the bag and that basically we could just call off the election altogether cause everyone already knew by 99% certainty how it would end. Yes, there's a before and after the debate and there's a before and after Biden, but ten times those two events combined, there's a before and after Benghazi.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

The polls in Iowa have really been bi-modal. And naturally, PPP sides with the colleges that have ridiculous Hillary leads.

32-41 point leads:
PPP
Monmouth University
Loras College

3-11 point leads:
CBS/YouGov
Quinnipiac
Des Moines Register/Bloomberg/Selzer (rated A+ by 538)
NBC/WSJ/Marist
Gravis Marketing/One America News

You left out the fact that the first three are also the most recent. All the others were conducted before Biden's announcement/the Benghazi hearing, and the last two were even from before the debate.

All of those polls didn't include Biden though, so it would mean that Clinton's lead increased by 20ish points (almost) solely due to the Benghazi hearing. That just seems odd given that the average caucus goer probably didn't even watch the hearing.

It was first after the Benghazi hearing of 11 hours slam dunk Michael Johnson basketball brilliance that everyone were saying that she had the general in the bag and that basically we could just call off the election altogether cause everyone already knew by 99% certainty how it would end. Yes, there's a before and after the debate and there's a before and after Biden, but ten times those two events combined, there's a before and after Benghazi.

The before and after Benghazi isn't showing up in the national polls. Unless you make the mistake of looking at polls with Biden and comparing them to polls without Biden.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

The polls in Iowa have really been bi-modal. And naturally, PPP sides with the colleges that have ridiculous Hillary leads.

32-41 point leads:
PPP
Monmouth University
Loras College

3-11 point leads:
CBS/YouGov
Quinnipiac
Des Moines Register/Bloomberg/Selzer (rated A+ by 538)
NBC/WSJ/Marist
Gravis Marketing/One America News

You left out the fact that the first three are also the most recent. All the others were conducted before Biden's announcement/the Benghazi hearing, and the last two were even from before the debate.

All of those polls didn't include Biden though, so it would mean that Clinton's lead increased by 20ish points (almost) solely due to the Benghazi hearing. That just seems odd given that the average caucus goer probably didn't even watch the hearing.

It was first after the Benghazi hearing of 11 hours slam dunk Michael Johnson basketball brilliance that everyone were saying that she had the general in the bag and that basically we could just call off the election altogether cause everyone already knew by 99% certainty how it would end. Yes, there's a before and after the debate and there's a before and after Biden, but ten times those two events combined, there's a before and after Benghazi.

Which media figures have actually said that Hillary has the general in the bag beyond any doubt at all, that clearly weren't doing so before the benghazi hearing?

[eric82oslo]

The polls in Iowa have really been bi-modal. And naturally, PPP sides with the colleges that have ridiculous Hillary leads.

32-41 point leads:
PPP
Monmouth University
Loras College

3-11 point leads:
CBS/YouGov
Quinnipiac
Des Moines Register/Bloomberg/Selzer (rated A+ by 538)
NBC/WSJ/Marist
Gravis Marketing/One America News

You left out the fact that the first three are also the most recent. All the others were conducted before Biden's announcement/the Benghazi hearing, and the last two were even from before the debate.

All of those polls didn't include Biden though, so it would mean that Clinton's lead increased by 20ish points (almost) solely due to the Benghazi hearing. That just seems odd given that the average caucus goer probably didn't even watch the hearing.

It was first after the Benghazi hearing of 11 hours slam dunk Michael Johnson basketball brilliance that everyone were saying that she had the general in the bag and that basically we could just call off the election altogether cause everyone already knew by 99% certainty how it would end. Yes, there's a before and after the debate and there's a before and after Biden, but ten times those two events combined, there's a before and after Benghazi.

Which media figures have actually said that Hillary has the general in the bag beyond any doubt at all, that clearly weren't doing so before the benghazi hearing?

Rolling Stones magazine and tons of other publications.

[Eraserhead]

Anyway let's just note that the last PPP poll showed a huge Hillary lead when basically everyone else was showing a fairly close race or even a Bernie lead.

She's clearly improved her position but I doubt she's leading by this much.