Labor Unions Now Reaching Out to Republicans

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Teacher productivity? I'm lost for words.

The standard is quite obvious. The productivity of a teacher can reasonably be measured by the number of students one teachers. For some reason that number keeps declining.

Is this satire?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Teacher productivity? I'm lost for words.

The standard is quite obvious. The productivity of a teacher can reasonably be measured by the number of students one teachers. For some reason that number keeps declining.

[krazen1211]

Teacher productivity? I'm lost for words.

The standard is quite obvious. The productivity of a teacher can reasonably be measured by the number of students one teachers. For some reason that number keeps declining.

Is this satire?

The prior one alleging falsehoods about US teacher salaries might be. As is, well, just about anything from someone from Italy.

[Phony Moderate]

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[The Mikado]

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This post threw me for a loop for a second.  It said the same thing after I clicked Show as it did before.

[krazen1211]

Is this even a means for you, or is preventing institutions other than corporations from playing a role in the economy or workers' lives actually an end at this point?

This is the NJEA"s own internal memo on what they describe as a 'challenging' year (pre 2010) and still got everything they wanted on dozens of pieces of legislation.

http://www.aimitsolutions.com/njea/WestNewYorkEA/absolutenm/articlefiles/40-NJEA%E2%80%99s%20Legistative%20Successes.pdf


Nobody is on even footing with them. The end is to prevent New Jersey's continued outrageous growth in property tax from shellacking the middle class.

Has it ever occurred to you that the people who educate our children might in fact deserve to be to some extent an elite?

I might add, they are elite, even though some people bury their heads in the sand and pretend otherwise. Aggregate education expense is up over $120 billion in the last decade, about half of which has gone to 'instruction'.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_183.asp
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_188.asp

[King]

I had taught by teacher who teachers many students.  They is good.

[Gustaf]

Ceteri paribus, it's hardly an unreasonable standard. It's certainly much easier to teach one pupil than 30, than 60 (based on my experience of those 3 cases).

Anyway, productivity in education is very hard to measure since it doesn't operate on a free market. However, teachers are likely underpaid. Most public sector workers tend to be, since the demand doesn't reflect actual preferences, there is typically a monopolist buyer and there tends to be a lot of supply.

[Insula Dei]

Ceteri Paribus, it's vastly preferable to have 1 teacher for every 30 pupils than 1 teacher for every 60 pupils.

[Хahar 🤔]

Ceteri Paribus, it's vastly preferable to have 1 teacher for every 30 pupils then 1 teacher for every 60 pupils.

But vastly less efficient.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Is this even a means for you, or is preventing institutions other than corporations from playing a role in the economy or workers' lives actually an end at this point?

This is the NJEA"s own internal memo on what they describe as a 'challenging' year (pre 2010) and still got everything they wanted on dozens of pieces of legislation.

http://www.aimitsolutions.com/njea/WestNewYorkEA/absolutenm/articlefiles/40-NJEA%E2%80%99s%20Legistative%20Successes.pdf


Nobody is on even footing with them. The end is to prevent New Jersey's continued outrageous growth in property tax from shellacking the middle class.

Has it ever occurred to you that the people who educate our children might in fact deserve to be to some extent an elite?

I might add, they are elite, even though some people bury their heads in the sand and pretend otherwise. Aggregate education expense is up over $120 billion in the last decade, about half of which has gone to 'instruction'.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_183.asp
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_188.asp

You seem not to have understood my point. I was wondering if the concept had occurred to you, even if only in passing, that there might be good reasons why people in the business of teaching your children so that your family doesn't have to exist in a state of multigenerational illiteracy and poverty should want to be treated well relative to other types of workers like tax accountants.

[Gustaf]

Ceteri Paribus, it's vastly preferable to have 1 teacher for every 30 pupils than 1 teacher for every 60 pupils.

Why would it be? If we're holding the level of education constant it obviously wouldn't be. My point is that if a teacher could convey the same amount of knowledge to a larger group you could call that being more productive. If you're not holding the amount of knowledge constant then it obviously does not make sense - but then again, productivity measures usually assume same amount of value is being provided, since they would make no sense otherwise.

[Insula Dei]

Ceteri Paribus, it's vastly preferable to have 1 teacher for every 30 pupils than 1 teacher for every 60 pupils.

Why would it be? If we're holding the level of education constant it obviously wouldn't be. My point is that if a teacher could convey the same amount of knowledge to a larger group you could call that being more productive. If you're not holding the amount of knowledge constant then it obviously does not make sense - but then again, productivity measures usually assume same amount of value is being provided, since they would make no sense otherwise.

I don't think you hold a degree in pedagogy, right? Because that's the reason why you don't want 60-pupil classes, right there. (Well that and, uhm you know, life quality for teachers and pupils alike).

The keyword for succes on in your average class room is diversification. You objectively can't diversify with more than 30 pupils sitting before you.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

My Grandad always used to insist that schools pretty much always become dysfunctional when the number of pupils rises greatly about about 600, because that is (he thought anyway) the point at which individual members of staff stop being able to recognise everyone.