Do you agree that "conservatism is the new counterculture?"

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Isn't that called "Straight Edge"

That's well over 30 years old. How the hell is that new?

[IceSpear]

This is a thought one would get when their entire perspective revolves around college campuses, internet "SJWs", and Tumblr blogs. Back in the real world, no.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

“Conservatives are abnormal, self-repressed freaks, but don’t worry, it’s you who’s edgy by blending in with current cultural fashions!”

[SNJ1985]

It's definitely true if you're a Millennial or younger.

[Maxwell]

ahahahahahahhahahahahaha

for it to be counterculture there has to be, well, culture. If blatantly obvious grifting along the lines of Alex Jones' lead supplements and Mike Cernovich's Orangutan Lifestyle pills is culture, then I guess it's counterculture.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

The only proper countercultures are the Amish

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

ahahahahahahhahahahahaha

for it to be counterculture there has to be, well, culture. If blatantly obvious grifting along the lines of Alex Jones' lead supplements and Mike Cernovich's Orangutan Lifestyle pills is culture, then I guess it's counterculture.

Have you read Cernovich's erotic stories about trannies? Danielle Steelovich.

[vanguard96]

no, not even on college campuses. part of being a "counterculture" is that you have to be cool, and most college republicans are massive dorks

In a world marked by extremist individualism and saturated by hipsters, the only true rebellion is complete conformity.

And you are the ultimate conformist, then?

I try. Moreso, I am the natural conclusion of post-modernism.

'Natural conclusion' in what sense?

[Lechasseur]

It's definitely true if you're a Millennial or younger.

Yep, especially in America

[publicunofficial]

Ben Shapiro is totes radical dudes.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     The statement is made in reference to the prevailing tendency in the various entertainment industries (e.g. movies, comics, games) and academia to pay lipservice to strongly left-wing causes and to demand conformity. This spills out into larger society due to outsized influence that these people wield, especially with the younger generation.

     A certain flaw in this line of reasoning is that it is reductionist; some industries are in more dire straits than others. Comics have it really bad, and are selling poorly these days. The film industry is much less dogmatic; just compare recent Marvel comic with Marvel movies. Alternatively you could look at actors and directors who are outspoken conservatives, such as Clint Eastwood and Mel Gibson.

     With that said, there is no question that there exists an act of rebellion in rejecting the prevailing opinions that surround you. If you live in an urban area, those opinions trend very liberal. I can foresee that people will respond by saying that conservatives control the nation at-large, but that is not part of the social reality of a San Franciscan any more than the poverty of a subsistence farmer in sub-Saharan Africa is part of the economic reality of an unemployed factory worker in the Rust Belt. If you are told that there are people elsewhere who tend to agree with your point of view, that is very different from and ultimately far less important than having those people in front of you.

[wxtransit]

no, not even on college campuses. part of being a "counterculture" is that you have to be cool, and most college republicans are massive dorks

In a world marked by extremist individualism and saturated by hipsters, the only true rebellion is complete conformity.

I imagine this being read with one of those over-dramatic movie trailer voices.

[darklordoftech]

I feel like "conservatism is the new counterculture" is something that Reagan's supporters said in 1980.

[Kingpoleon]

no, not even on college campuses. part of being a "counterculture" is that you have to be cool, and most college republicans are massive dorks

In a world marked by extremist individualism and saturated by hipsters, the only true rebellion is complete conformity.

I imagine this being read with one of those over-dramatic movie trailer voices.

(CLIPS QUICKLY FLASHED, MORGAN FREEMAN VOICEOVER):


IN A WORLD
MARKED BY EXTREMIST INDIVIDUALISM
AND SATURATED BY HIPSTERS
THE ONLY TRUE REBELLION
IS COMPLETE -
AND UTTER -
CONFORMITY.

[wxtransit]

no, not even on college campuses. part of being a "counterculture" is that you have to be cool, and most college republicans are massive dorks

In a world marked by extremist individualism and saturated by hipsters, the only true rebellion is complete conformity.

I imagine this being read with one of those over-dramatic movie trailer voices.

(CLIPS QUICKLY FLASHED, MORGAN FREEMAN VOICEOVER):


IN A WORLD
MARKED BY EXTREMIST INDIVIDUALISM
AND SATURATED BY HIPSTERS
THE ONLY TRUE REBELLION
IS COMPLETE -
AND UTTER -
CONFORMITY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMngjDMZTWo

[RFayette]

A movement which controls the House, Senate, and Presidency is not a counterculture.

This. I believe a counter culture is a culture that goes against the current one. And in politics the current dominant culture right now is controlled by the Republican Party who control all three branches of government whose main governing policy is some form of conservatism. Being said so, conservatism cant be the current counter culture in politics being they are already the current dominant one. Though if your talking about social progress made by the country on social issues and the conservative backlash against that then you could argue then they are the counter culture because they don't support the dominant culture of supporting said social issues.

Interestingly, the right often does best politically during and right after times of major social liberalization - compare the staid 1950's with both parties fairly liberal to the revolutionary '60s giving way to a much more right-wing Republican Party - similarly, the social liberalism of the 2010's is coincident with the rise of the GOP.  Perhaps it's a matter of increased intensity when your side is embattled, but it might just be a coincidence.

[Sumner 1868]

It's weird how nobody remembers the defining conflict of the sixties wasn't so much left v. right as it was Old Left v. New Left.

[darklordoftech]

It's weird how nobody remembers the defining conflict of the sixties wasn't so much left v. right as it was Old Left v. New Left.

Whenever someone calls Bernie Sanders a "1960s liberal", I want to say, "No, he's a 1930s liberal."

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It's weird how nobody remembers the defining conflict of the sixties wasn't so much left v. right as it was Old Left v. New Left.

Whenever someone calls Bernie Sanders a "1960s liberal", I want to say, "No, he's a 1930s liberal."

A 1930s liberal who was a local civil rights leader in the 1960s.