Devolved Leadership Elections

[You kip if you want to...]

I think ScotCon use AV among the whole membership

Hmmm... so AV is good for use by Conservatives, but not good for use by the wider community?

They're electing one individual not an entire parliament, so yes.

[afleitch]

Counting going on in the Scottish Tory election; Ruth and Murdo not suprisingly neck and neck on first preferences.

[afleitch]

Ruth wins

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Interesting result, that's for sure.

[Harry Hayfield]

(Source: Scottish Conservatives)

Jackson Carlaw - 830 votes
Ruth Davidson -  2278 votes
Murdo Fraser -  2096 votes
Margaret Mitchell -  472 votes

After the distribution of Margaret Mitchell and Jackson Carlaw's vote the election result is as follows:

Ruth Davidson - 2983
Murdo Fraser - 2417

[joevsimp]

Shame, I was intrigued as to what would happen if they went through with the split

[Andrea]

Worse than expected for Carlow? I guess expectations for Mitchell were so low that she couldn't underperform them

ScotLab nominations phase has ended tonight. Recap

Leader

Lamont: 27
20 MSPs, 7 MPs

Macintosh: 26
13 MSPs, 12 MPs, 1 MEP

Harris: 13
12 MPs, 1 MEP

Deputy

Sarwar: 44
19 MSPs, 24 MPs, 1 MEP

MacDonald: 13
10 MSPs, 3 MPs

Davidson: 11
2 MSPs, 8 MPs, 1 MEP


Full list of nominations
http://www.scottishlabour.org.uk/nominations

Among last day's additions, Alexander signed Harris' nomination papers while Darling backs Macintosh (and Sarwar).

GMB Scotland leadership recommends Lamont for Leader and Davidson for Deputy
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics-news/2011/11/04/gmb-union-urges-members-to-back-johann-lamont-for-scottish-labour-leadership-86908-23537246/

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Davidson So this is the new Scottish Conservative leader.

Is Scotland the only place where Women are doing so well in terms of top level positions? This is the second female Scottish Conservative leader in a row, as well the Deputy First Minister is female.

[You kip if you want to...]

Never thought i'd see a lesbian as part of the Tory leadership.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

The current UK Conservatives are very progressive. If I was in the UK I'd back them.

[YL]

The current UK Conservatives are very progressive. If I was in the UK I'd back them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadine_Dorries

Slightly more seriously, yes the Tories do generally seem to have put their Section 28 past behind them.  But I don't see what's "progressive" about them on any other issues.

[minionofmidas]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Davidson So this is the new Scottish Conservative leader.

Is Scotland the only place where Women are doing so well in terms of top level positions? This is the second female Scottish Conservative leader in a row, as well the Deputy First Minister is female.

Leadership of a fairly isolated mid-minor party is not really a top level position.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

The current UK Conservatives are very progressive. If I was in the UK I'd back them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadine_Dorries

Slightly more seriously, yes the Tories do generally seem to have put their Section 28 past behind them.  But I don't see what's "progressive" about them on any other issues.

You need to look no further than Canada to see how bad a Conservative government can be.

[You kip if you want to...]

The current UK Conservatives are very progressive. If I was in the UK I'd back them.

Sure.

[Hash]

Sure, compared to our far-right reactionaries who call themselves 'Conservatives', Cameron is pretty moderate.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I would suggest that this particular chain of discussion ought to be continued elsewhere, if it is to be continued at all.

[minionofmidas]

The current UK Conservatives are very progressive. If I was in the UK I'd back them.

Sure.

This needs to be improved by the insertion of "and now I flip-flop on them all because" before "David Cameron". (No idea if the statement is still technically true then. Doesn't matter.)

[Andrea]

Unite and Unison follow GMB in recommeding Lamont/Davidson duo while Community backs Macintosh for Leader and Sarwar for Deputy

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Unite and Unison follow GMB in recommeding Lamont/Davidson duo while Community backs Macintosh for Leader and Sarwar for Deputy

That would make Lamont a pretty clear favourite on paper. Also quite a turn-around; I think Unite backed Gray in 2008.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

By UK Conservative Party and Coalition Government, I mean David Cameron. Perhaps it's a Canadian thing to refer to the PM as such.

Cameron is Pro Gay
Harper would ban gayness if he could

Cameron has stated that he intends to be "Progressive"
Harper would rather lose his balls then ever, ever, say "Progressive" (unless he was using it as an insult)

[Leftbehind]

Harper's not privatising everything in sight, so doesn't need to balance it with moderate social policies - even then, beyond legislating for gay marriage (something that the devolved parliaments were planning to do anyway - forcing the goverment to either allow it now, or be left in the situation where gay rights in Britain would be disunified) his policies are as you'd expect for a Tory government.

[Andrea]

Scottish Labour

Supporting nominations deadline has now expired

Ken Macintosh nominated by
74 councillors
10 CLPs
5 affiliates (BECTU, Musicians Unions, Labour Students, USDAW, Community)

Johann Lamont nominated by
63 councillors
13 CLPs
11 affiliates (GMB, Unite, Unison, CWU, ASLEF, SERA, NUM, Co-Op, Socialist Health Society, TSSA, UCATT)
+ Young Labour

Tom Harris nominated by
16 councillors
1 CLP (Glasgow South)
0 affiliates

Deputy race

Anas Sarwar nominated by
109 councillors
18 CLPs
6 affiliates (NUM, Sera, BECTU, Community, Labour Students, USDAW)
+ Young Labour

Lewis MacDonald nominated by
21 councillors
3 CLPs
0 affiliates

Ian Davidson nominated by
35 councillors
3 CLPs
9 affiliates (Unison, Unite, GMB, CWU, ASLEF, Co-Op, Socialist Health Society, TSSA, UCATT)

Sorry for any mistake in counting the long lists of Cllrs

http://www.scottishlabour.org.uk/nominations

[Filuwaúrdjan]

That makes Lamont a very clear favourite on paper, though an upset win for Macintosh would still be possible if he can win the members vote heavily (maybe his lead with councillors shows some potential for that kind of thing). The Deputy election looks fun; Sarwar's impressive councillor and CLP hauls looks good for a strong showing with the membership, but Davidson has all but one of the affiliates that matter. I think Harris and MacDonald can probably be ruled out in their respective races.

[Andrea]

Scottish Labour


Leader

Lamont 51.77%
McIntmosh 40.28%
Harris 7.95%

Deputy

Sarwar 51.1%
Davidson 33.28%
MacDonald 15.62%

Elaborating the electoral college numbers, it should be something like


MPs/MSPs: Lamont 53.3% McIntosh 41.3% Harris 5.3%
Members: McIntosh 53.1% Lamont 36.5% Harris 10.3%
Affiliated: Lamont 65.4% McIntosh 26.4% Harris 8.2%


MPs/MSPs: Sarwar 66.6% MacDonald 20% Davidson 13.3%
Members: Sarwar 61% Davidson 25.4% MacDonald 13.5%
Affiliated:  Davidson 61.1% Sarwar 25.6% MacDonald 13.3%

[Leftbehind]

What's the deal with Sarwar? Quite hoped Davidson would be deputy.

What does Lamont represent? Seems the unions were heavily behind her, so I'd normally assume she's further left than McIntosh, but then the elected Labour also split towards her favour, which usually means they're right-wing/establishment.