Alabama Megathread: Bombshell allegations

[Tintrlvr]

It's a bad sign for Jones already that Moore got more votes than everybody in the Democratic primary combined.

It's a bad sign for Jones already that this election is taking place in Alabama. There's not much more to be said on the topic.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If I were the Jones campaign, I'd try to quietly contact as many Hillary voters as I can, and try to increase black turnout as much as possible, perhaps through church networks. Winning over Republicans is a fool's errand.

Not enough democrats in the state to win based on that alone.

This logic would have doomed Scott Brown in 2010. He won because a ridiculous number of Dems stayed home while he romped among Indies.

Not saying I'd bet against Moore, but that route exists. Recall that Dems won MS-1, AL-2, and AL-5 in living memory amid terrible conditions for Republicans.

Didn't Brown get like 20% of Republicans though (in 2010)? That's double the normal 10% crossover on either side.

[Anna Komnene]

Well, the good news for Jones is if Moore does win the runoff, he might not have a huge funding disadvantage.

As of the end of July, Jones had 99k on hand while Moore had 173k and will have to keep dealing with an onslaught of cash from Strange in the runoff (he had close to a million at the same point). Meanwhile, Jones gets a headstart on fundraising for the general and can focus on building his organization and outreach. The bad news is it looks like he's starting from a really low level of enthusiasm from AL dems.

[mcmikk]

Didn't Brown get like 20% of Republicans though (in 2010)? That's double the normal 10% crossover on either side.

You mean Democrats?

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Didn't Brown get like 20% of Republicans though (in 2010)? That's double the normal 10% crossover on either side.

You mean Democrats?

Yes

[GlobeSoc]

Republican Primary:


Democratic Primary:

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Republican Primary:


Democratic Primary:

DOUG JONES!!!

[Badger]

I like that the NY Times page has no mention of Kennedy on it at all, once the results start coming in I'll be laughing at that.

Also Roy Moore will sadly become a Senator, sullying the GOP Brand even further.

Nobody but political junkies outside of Alabama does know or is going to know who Roy Moore is.

That's an exaggeration, but regardless his National recognition will go through the roof once he's elected to the Senate and starts spouting his crazy on a national stage.

[BuckeyeNut]

The DSCC needs to hop on this yesterday, while Moore and Luther go at each other directly.

[GeorgiaModerate]

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[Lord Admirale]

I have a bit of hope that Jones will pull this off, Scott Brown style.

[smoltchanov]

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/08/roy_moore_gets_endorsements_fr.html#incart_river_index

Roy Moore gets endorsements from 14 state lawmakers.

I bet - some of them are even to the right of him...

[SATW]

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/08/roy_moore_gets_endorsements_fr.html#incart_river_index

Roy Moore gets endorsements from 14 state lawmakers.

I bet - some of them are even to the right of him...

Ed Henry is possibly to his right, but his rhetoric isn't anywhere near Moore's. Hard to sound more extreme than Moore.

[smoltchanov]

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/08/roy_moore_gets_endorsements_fr.html#incart_river_index

Roy Moore gets endorsements from 14 state lawmakers.

I bet - some of them are even to the right of him...

Ed Henry is possibly to his right, but his rhetoric isn't anywhere near Moore's. Hard to sound more extreme than Moore.

And Lynn Greer, IIRC, is a former Democratic congressional candidate...

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Moore has never won the Supreme Court Election by a particularly impressive margin, so I imagine Jones would have a shot if Moore is the nominee here. But let's be realistic, the establishment will get its way - Strange wins runoff 52-48 or so and wins the general in a cakewalk.

[PragmaticPopulist]

Moore has never won the Supreme Court Election by a particularly impressive margin, so I imagine Jones would have a shot if Moore is the nominee here. But let's be realistic, the establishment will get its way - Strange wins runoff 52-48 or so and wins the general in a cakewalk.

The establishment didn't get it's way in the presidential primary, so who's to say they willt get their preferred option here?

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Moore has never won the Supreme Court Election by a particularly impressive margin, so I imagine Jones would have a shot if Moore is the nominee here. But let's be realistic, the establishment will get its way - Strange wins runoff 52-48 or so and wins the general in a cakewalk.

The establishment didn't get it's way in the presidential primary, so who's to say they willt get their preferred option here?

The overthrow of the establishment in '16 was fueled by Trump, but in this case, Trump is supporting the establishment's goals.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Part of me wants Strange to win simply as less terrible. Another part of me wants to see Moore winning for the lulz, since this sear is going Republican anyway.

[Maxwell]

Neither of these men winning anything beyond dog catcher is not a laughing matter - but honestly I'd prefer Moore because he'd be a serious pain in Mitch McConnell's neck. They are equally bad.

Any degree to which Strange is better is already beyond the point of where I could even tell a difference beyond tone or style.

[The Other Castro]

Palin endorses Moore.

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/24/exclusive-sarah-palin-endorses-roy-moore-in-alabama-senate-race-as-luther-strange-struggles/

[Fudotei]

Palin endorses Moore.

I want Palin to be relevant, dammit. She had a good thing going for a brief moment in history. In another world she'd run the Interior department.

But surprising in itself. Palin represents (represented?) a wing of the GOP that had a sizeable portion of power. Palin's talk is Tea Party talk. If she's willing to go for Moore (who has really abnormal views on the Constitution) he's becoming a senator.

[Blair]

Palin endorses Moore.

I want Palin to be relevant, dammit. She had a good thing going for a brief moment in history. In another world she'd run the Interior department.

But surprising in itself. Palin represents (represented?) a wing of the GOP that had a sizeable portion of power. Palin's talk is Tea Party talk. If she's willing to go for Moore (who has really abnormal views on the Constitution) he's becoming a senator.

Did she? She was a crappy Governor who frequently lied about her record (troopergate, bridge to nowhere etc) and then resigned in 2009 to spend more time with her money.

[GeorgiaModerate]

lulz

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Trump did what for Strange, a couple of tweets and a robocall? 

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If Trump actually decides to sit back and let Moore win the runoff, that only strengthens the case for his impeachment.

[Heisenberg]

lulz

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I think maybe Trump wants Moore in the seat, but decided to endorse Strange so that it would be a Moore v. Strange runoff. I think Brooks would have narrowly beat Moore, but Moore beats Strange. I actually had that thought earlier this month. But just a thought.