cinyc for Lincoln Senator

[windjammer]

The rules of Lincoln are based on the federal rules if I recall correctly.

That was true under the last Northeastern constitution and its constituent electoral act, but I don’t think there’s anything in the new constitution specifying federal rules apply to anything but voter eligibility. Am I missing something?

It also doesn’t appear that the First or any subsequent Assemblies passed any election or tie-breaker laws.

Oh?
There isn't a line in the Lincoln constitution saying "All eligible to the fed election can vote in Lincoln elections." ?

There sort of is. Article V, Section I says “The right to vote in all elections and referendums called according to the provisions of this Constitution shall be exclusive to those persons being eligible to vote in elections for President of the Republic of Atlasia who have been registered to vote in one of the states of this Region for a period of at least seven (7) days prior to the commencement of the election.”

It doesn’t say that the federal tie-breaking or electoral rules apply, though. For example, Section 8 specifies that “All elections shall be by single transferable vote, unless otherwise specified by law.” - which might currently be the federal standard, but needn’t be in the future. The old Northeast electoral law or constitution (I forget which) used to specify STV as defined by the federal electoral act. The new constitution doesn’t.

I think we expected the First Lincoln Assembly to vote on the nuts and bolts of electoral rules when we framed the Lincoln constitution. They didn’t.

Wait,
So there is no rules in Lincoln

[Terry the Fat Shark]

The rules of Lincoln are based on the federal rules if I recall correctly.

That was true under the last Northeastern constitution and its constituent electoral act, but I don’t think there’s anything in the new constitution specifying federal rules apply to anything but voter eligibility. Am I missing something?

It also doesn’t appear that the First or any subsequent Assemblies passed any election or tie-breaker laws.

Oh?
There isn't a line in the Lincoln constitution saying "All eligible to the fed election can vote in Lincoln elections." ?

There sort of is. Article V, Section I says “The right to vote in all elections and referendums called according to the provisions of this Constitution shall be exclusive to those persons being eligible to vote in elections for President of the Republic of Atlasia who have been registered to vote in one of the states of this Region for a period of at least seven (7) days prior to the commencement of the election.”

It doesn’t say that the federal tie-breaking or electoral rules apply, though. For example, Section 8 specifies that “All elections shall be by single transferable vote, unless otherwise specified by law.” - which might currently be the federal standard, but needn’t be in the future. The old Northeast electoral law or constitution (I forget which) used to specify STV as defined by the federal electoral act. The new constitution doesn’t.

I think we expected the First Lincoln Assembly to vote on the nuts and bolts of electoral rules when we framed the Lincoln constitution. They didn’t.

Wait,
So there is no rules in Lincoln

yes

[cinyc]

The rules of Lincoln are based on the federal rules if I recall correctly.

That was true under the last Northeastern constitution and its constituent electoral act, but I don’t think there’s anything in the new constitution specifying federal rules apply to anything but voter eligibility. Am I missing something?

It also doesn’t appear that the First or any subsequent Assemblies passed any election or tie-breaker laws.

Oh?
There isn't a line in the Lincoln constitution saying "All eligible to the fed election can vote in Lincoln elections." ?

There sort of is. Article V, Section I says “The right to vote in all elections and referendums called according to the provisions of this Constitution shall be exclusive to those persons being eligible to vote in elections for President of the Republic of Atlasia who have been registered to vote in one of the states of this Region for a period of at least seven (7) days prior to the commencement of the election.”

It doesn’t say that the federal tie-breaking or electoral rules apply, though. For example, Section 8 specifies that “All elections shall be by single transferable vote, unless otherwise specified by law.” - which might currently be the federal standard, but needn’t be in the future. The old Northeast electoral law or constitution (I forget which) used to specify STV as defined by the federal electoral act. The new constitution doesn’t.

I think we expected the First Lincoln Assembly to vote on the nuts and bolts of electoral rules when we framed the Lincoln constitution. They didn’t.

Wait,
So there is no rules in Lincoln

Only what’s specified in the constitution - Senate elections at regular intervals in the months defined by the Atlasian Constitution, Gubernatorial and Assembly elections on specified dates, STV for all elections, federal eligibility plus 7 days in the region (which is redundant, since the feds also require that, IIRC), and “Voters shall be permitted to edit their ballots until 20 minutes after posting them in the voting booth. No voter shall edit their ballot after the official end of the voting period.”

There is nothing fleshing these rules out, including a tiebreaker rule.

[windjammer]

Alright, I suppose it will end up in a court case

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The rules of Lincoln are based on the federal rules if I recall correctly.

That was true under the last Northeastern constitution and its constituent electoral act, but I don’t think there’s anything in the new constitution specifying federal rules apply to anything but voter eligibility. Am I missing something?

It also doesn’t appear that the First or any subsequent Assemblies passed any election or tie-breaker laws.

Oh?
There isn't a line in the Lincoln constitution saying "All eligible to the fed election can vote in Lincoln elections." ?

There sort of is. Article V, Section I says “The right to vote in all elections and referendums called according to the provisions of this Constitution shall be exclusive to those persons being eligible to vote in elections for President of the Republic of Atlasia who have been registered to vote in one of the states of this Region for a period of at least seven (7) days prior to the commencement of the election.”

It doesn’t say that the federal tie-breaking or electoral rules apply, though. For example, Section 8 specifies that “All elections shall be by single transferable vote, unless otherwise specified by law.” - which might currently be the federal standard, but needn’t be in the future. The old Northeast electoral law or constitution (I forget which) used to specify STV as defined by the federal electoral act. The new constitution doesn’t.

I think we expected the First Lincoln Assembly to vote on the nuts and bolts of electoral rules when we framed the Lincoln constitution. They didn’t.

Wait,
So there is no rules in Lincoln

Lincoln says, "Screw the rules!" lol

[windjammer]

Wow so no rules at all, good luck for whoever has to certify the results hahahaha

[Pheurton Skeurto]

[fhtagn]

[Lumine]

Please allow me to congratulate you, cinyc (even if the winner hasn't yet been determined), that was one hell of an impressive campaign and result.

[cinyc]

Please allow me to congratulate you, cinyc (even if the winner hasn't yet been determined), that was one hell of an impressive campaign and result.

Thank you! Congratulations on your impressive campaign, too! It’s very rare for an Independent to come in second place in a national campaign.

[Keep cool-idge]

Congratulations it’s a tie Senator R2 D2’s vote is disqualified.

[cinyc]

Congratulations it’s a tie Senator R2 D2’s vote is disqualified.

A tie is nothing to be excited about, given that there is no tie-breaking rule. It is probably the worst-case scenario - an election with no clear winner. Lincoln can’t afford more uncertainty.

I will not make any further comment, pending any legal action.

[cinyc]

Statement on pending litigation-

I don't blame Senator R2D2 for bringing a lawsuit to have his late second vote counted. That is his right, and I probably would have sued to invalidate Senator R2D2's vote had it been counted by the Lt. Governor.

I assume that I will not be sued directly, as the invalidation decision was not mine. Nevertheless, I expect to file an amicus brief on Lincoln's behalf should the court decide to take this case and allow me to do so.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Isn't it fitting that it comes down to disputed ballots in Philadelphia.


Clearly you didn't visit Luzerne and Erie counties enough.

[SamTilden2020]

An idea to break the tie:

A special election between Cinyc and R2D2

Idea from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections_in_New_Hampshire,_1974_and_1975

[Pheurton Skeurto]

An idea to break the tie:

A special election between Cinyc and R2D2

Idea from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections_in_New_Hampshire,_1974_and_1975

The original election was between the two of us and it ended in a tie. We can’t keep having elections that end in ties until someone forgets to vote.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

An idea to break the tie:

A special election between Cinyc and R2D2

Idea from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections_in_New_Hampshire,_1974_and_1975

The original election was between the two of us and it ended in a tie. We can’t keep having elections that end in ties until someone forgets to vote.

Not everyone turned out to vote, I just moved into the region, etc. It's possible that a re-vote would have a different result.

[Pheurton Skeurto]

An idea to break the tie:

A special election between Cinyc and R2D2

Idea from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections_in_New_Hampshire,_1974_and_1975

The original election was between the two of us and it ended in a tie. We can’t keep having elections that end in ties until someone forgets to vote.

Not everyone turned out to vote, I just moved into the region, etc. It's possible that a re-vote would have a different result.

Ah yes, you moving to the region is a great incentive for me to agree to this idea. Especially because you’ve called me a radical leftist. That makes me hope your vote makes the difference in my reelection prospects.

[Lincoln Republican]

If in fact this election ends in a tie, perhaps both cinyc and R2D2 could each serve half the term.

They could decide between themselves who serves for the first half and who serves for the second half.

 

[Fmr. Representative Encke]

An idea to break the tie:

A special election between Cinyc and R2D2

Idea from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections_in_New_Hampshire,_1974_and_1975

The original election was between the two of us and it ended in a tie. We can’t keep having elections that end in ties until someone forgets to vote.

Not everyone turned out to vote, I just moved into the region, etc. It's possible that a re-vote would have a different result.

Ah yes, you moving to the region is a great incentive for me to agree to this idea. Especially because you’ve called me a radical leftist. That makes me hope your vote makes the difference in my reelection prospects.

Windjammer also moved.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

So, it seems to me that — unless the court sides with R2D2 in the impending lawsuit — there will be no elected Class I senator for Lincoln on November 3. In that event, the Constitution states that the governor must call a special election, and may in the meantime appoint a temporary replacement; so in that sense, the constitutional response to a tied election (if the tie is upheld) would indeed be to hold a second vote.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

An idea to break the tie:

A special election between Cinyc and R2D2

Idea from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections_in_New_Hampshire,_1974_and_1975

The original election was between the two of us and it ended in a tie. We can’t keep having elections that end in ties until someone forgets to vote.

Not everyone turned out to vote, I just moved into the region, etc. It's possible that a re-vote would have a different result.

Ah yes, you moving to the region is a great incentive for me to agree to this idea. Especially because you’ve called me a radical leftist. That makes me hope your vote makes the difference in my reelection prospects.

If you changed your avatar from S to D or I, I could be convinced to vote for you.

[Pheurton Skeurto]

An idea to break the tie:

A special election between Cinyc and R2D2

Idea from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections_in_New_Hampshire,_1974_and_1975

The original election was between the two of us and it ended in a tie. We can’t keep having elections that end in ties until someone forgets to vote.

Not everyone turned out to vote, I just moved into the region, etc. It's possible that a re-vote would have a different result.

Ah yes, you moving to the region is a great incentive for me to agree to this idea. Especially because you’ve called me a radical leftist. That makes me hope your vote makes the difference in my reelection prospects.

If you changed your avatar from S to D or I, I could be convinced to vote for you.

Are you...kidding?

My avatar has been purely an aesthetic thing for years now. I've had R avatars, D avatars, L avatars, it usually just matches whatever band is in my sig and what state that band is from. It rarely ever reflects my personal views.

[cinyc]

So, it seems to me that — unless the court sides with R2D2 in the impending lawsuit — there will be no elected Class I senator for Lincoln on November 3. In that event, the Constitution states that the governor must call a special election, and may in the meantime appoint a temporary replacement; so in that sense, the constitutional response to a tied election (if the tie is upheld) would indeed be to hold a second vote.

That’s my reading of the Lincoln constitution, too. Unless Senator R2D2 and I agree to something else.

It wouldn’t necessarily be a rematch, as others could run in the special election.

[Blair]

FWIW UK electoral law calls for a coin toss in the event of a tie; which actually lead to a council changing hands back in 2016 IIRC