New Charlottesville 'white civil rights rally' in DC (Unite the Right 2)

[Mopsus]

Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things. 

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

And the Nazis are going to arguably the most Democratic city in the country aren't there to escalate things?

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

[ProudModerate2]

Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things.  

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

Yes it can, and has been. Badly.

[GoTfan]

Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things. 

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

And the Nazis are going to arguably the most Democratic city in the country aren't there to escalate things?

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

I see my point went straight over your head.

They're not there for some sort of "significance". They're there to cause trouble. Nothing more.

[Mopsus]

Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things. 

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

And the Nazis are going to arguably the most Democratic city in the country aren't there to escalate things?

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

I see my point went straight over your head.

They're not there for some sort of "significance". They're there to cause trouble. Nothing more.

Your point was literally "no, you!". Don't worry about your points going over my head.

[Karpatsky]

Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things. 

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

And the Nazis are going to arguably the most Democratic city in the country aren't there to escalate things?

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

That's why they have also been going to the symbolically significant cities of Charlottesville and Berkeley, right? The history suggests they want trouble.

[Devout Centrist]

Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things.  

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

And the Nazis are going to arguably the most Democratic city in the country aren't there to escalate things?

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

Are you really that daft? Do you know anything about Confederate monuments?

Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things.  

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

Yes, the counterprotestors are the problem. Not the people screaming 'race war now' or 'gas the k*kes' or the ones openly carrying guns or the ones who actually killed a person last year

[Mopsus]

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

That's why they have also been going to the symbolically significant cities of Charlottesville and Berkeley, right? The history suggests they want trouble.

Charlottesville was ostensibly chosen for attempting to tear down a Confederate monument. It's also the home of the University of Virginia, founded by Thomas Jefferson, known proponent of free speech. Similarly, the University of California at Berkeley is closely associated with the modern free speech movement. I would say that it's unfortunate to see leftists turn their back on that tradition, but I know that it's never really been about freedom to those people.

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

Are you really that daft? Do you know anything about Confederate monuments?

What do you expect me to say? Do I know that most Confederate monuments were actually built in the 1910s and 1920s? Yes, I do. What's the rest of your point?

[American_Aristocracy]

Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things. 

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

And the Nazis are going to arguably the most Democratic city in the country aren't there to escalate things?

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

I see my point went straight over your head.

They're not there for some sort of "significance". They're there to cause trouble. Nothing more.

These people actually want attention. These rallies are a publicity stunt.

[ProudModerate2]

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

Are you really that daft? Do you know anything about Confederate monuments?

What do you expect me to say? Do I know that most Confederate monuments were actually built in the 1910s and 1920s? Yes, I do. What's the rest of your point?

As you have indicated, the vast majority of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1910's & 20's when Southern states were enacting Jim Crow laws.
There was also a significant, yet smaller spike in the 1950's & 60's during the Civil Rights movement.

See this graphic on this website (link below), showing the numbers and distribution of monuments over time. The article also points out that:
The chart illustrates upticks in the construction of Confederate monuments on courthouse grounds after the landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 upheld state segregation laws. The construction of monuments outside of schools jumped after the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, in which the Supreme Court deemed state laws segregating public schools to be unconstitutional.

So you can drop your "leftists want to abolish place and history" shtick.
All the evidence above shows that Southerners weren't really concerned about "history" when erecting these monuments. But instead, it was about using them as symbols of hate and intimidation.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras

[Mopsus]

As you have indicated, the vast majority of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1910's & 20's when Southern states were enacting Jim Crow laws.
There was also a significant, yet smaller spike in the 1950's & 60's during the Civil Rights movement.

See this graphic on this website (link below), showing the numbers and distribution of monuments over time. The article also points out that:
The chart illustrates upticks in the construction of Confederate monuments on courthouse grounds after the landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 upheld state segregation laws. The construction of monuments outside of schools jumped after the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, in which the Supreme Court deemed state laws segregating public schools to be unconstitutional.

So you can drop your "leftists want to abolish place and history" shtick.
All the evidence above shows that Southerners weren't really concerned about "history" when erecting these monuments. But instead, it was about using them as symbols of hate and intimidation.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras

Southern states started enacting Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century, though. Plus, as your graph indicates, the largest spike in public Confederate commemoration was already on the decline when the Klan was reformed in the 1910s. If anything, the strongest correlation is with the aging of Civil War veterans and the passage of the Civil War from people's living memory. Which makes perfect sense.

[ProudModerate2]

As you have indicated, the vast majority of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1910's & 20's when Southern states were enacting Jim Crow laws.
There was also a significant, yet smaller spike in the 1950's & 60's during the Civil Rights movement.

See this graphic on this website (link below), showing the numbers and distribution of monuments over time. The article also points out that:
The chart illustrates upticks in the construction of Confederate monuments on courthouse grounds after the landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 upheld state segregation laws. The construction of monuments outside of schools jumped after the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, in which the Supreme Court deemed state laws segregating public schools to be unconstitutional.

So you can drop your "leftists want to abolish place and history" shtick.
All the evidence above shows that Southerners weren't really concerned about "history" when erecting these monuments. But instead, it was about using them as symbols of hate and intimidation.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras

Southern states started enacting Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century, though. Plus, as your graph indicates, the largest spike in public Confederate commemoration was already on the decline when the Klan was reformed in the 1910s. If anything, the strongest correlation is with the aging of Civil War veterans and the passage of the Civil War from people's living memory. Which makes perfect sense.

It "makes perfect sense" to Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white supremacists.

[Mopsus]

As you have indicated, the vast majority of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1910's & 20's when Southern states were enacting Jim Crow laws.
There was also a significant, yet smaller spike in the 1950's & 60's during the Civil Rights movement.

See this graphic on this website (link below), showing the numbers and distribution of monuments over time. The article also points out that:
The chart illustrates upticks in the construction of Confederate monuments on courthouse grounds after the landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 upheld state segregation laws. The construction of monuments outside of schools jumped after the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, in which the Supreme Court deemed state laws segregating public schools to be unconstitutional.

So you can drop your "leftists want to abolish place and history" shtick.
All the evidence above shows that Southerners weren't really concerned about "history" when erecting these monuments. But instead, it was about using them as symbols of hate and intimidation.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras

Southern states started enacting Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century, though. Plus, as your graph indicates, the largest spike in public Confederate commemoration was already on the decline when the Klan was reformed in the 1910s. If anything, the strongest correlation is with the aging of Civil War veterans and the passage of the Civil War from people's living memory. Which makes perfect sense.

It "makes perfect sense" to Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white supremacists.

It makes sense to the people whose forefathers bore the brunt of the most destructive war in the history of the United States.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

As you have indicated, the vast majority of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1910's & 20's when Southern states were enacting Jim Crow laws.
There was also a significant, yet smaller spike in the 1950's & 60's during the Civil Rights movement.

See this graphic on this website (link below), showing the numbers and distribution of monuments over time. The article also points out that:
The chart illustrates upticks in the construction of Confederate monuments on courthouse grounds after the landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 upheld state segregation laws. The construction of monuments outside of schools jumped after the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, in which the Supreme Court deemed state laws segregating public schools to be unconstitutional.

So you can drop your "leftists want to abolish place and history" shtick.
All the evidence above shows that Southerners weren't really concerned about "history" when erecting these monuments. But instead, it was about using them as symbols of hate and intimidation.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras

Southern states started enacting Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century, though. Plus, as your graph indicates, the largest spike in public Confederate commemoration was already on the decline when the Klan was reformed in the 1910s. If anything, the strongest correlation is with the aging of Civil War veterans and the passage of the Civil War from people's living memory. Which makes perfect sense.

It "makes perfect sense" to Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white supremacists.

It makes sense to the people whose forefathers bore the brunt of the most destructive war in the history of the United States.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Debating & quote boxes aside, there's a severe lack of comments on the event itself.

I'm guessing it wasn't as much of a 'rally' as last years?

[ProudModerate2]

Debating & quote boxes aside, there's a severe lack of comments on the event itself.
I'm guessing it wasn't as much of a 'rally' as last years?

The rally doesn't start until 5 pm Eastern time.
And I think it runs until either 7 or 8 pm.
So it has not started yet.

[ProudModerate2]

As you have indicated, the vast majority of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1910's & 20's when Southern states were enacting Jim Crow laws.
There was also a significant, yet smaller spike in the 1950's & 60's during the Civil Rights movement.

See this graphic on this website (link below), showing the numbers and distribution of monuments over time. The article also points out that:
The chart illustrates upticks in the construction of Confederate monuments on courthouse grounds after the landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 upheld state segregation laws. The construction of monuments outside of schools jumped after the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, in which the Supreme Court deemed state laws segregating public schools to be unconstitutional.

So you can drop your "leftists want to abolish place and history" shtick.
All the evidence above shows that Southerners weren't really concerned about "history" when erecting these monuments. But instead, it was about using them as symbols of hate and intimidation.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras

Southern states started enacting Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century, though. Plus, as your graph indicates, the largest spike in public Confederate commemoration was already on the decline when the Klan was reformed in the 1910s. If anything, the strongest correlation is with the aging of Civil War veterans and the passage of the Civil War from people's living memory. Which makes perfect sense.

It "makes perfect sense" to Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white supremacists.

It makes sense to the people whose forefathers bore the brunt of the most destructive war in the history of the United States.

It makes sense to the people whose forefathers' main purpose of fighting was to preserve the act of enslaving other human beings (for money). The fact that they (the South) "bore the brunt" of the American Civil War (versus the North) was both justified and a grace to all humanity.

The vast majority of monuments are depicting their leaders, and not the sheep the leaders employed (and fooled) to fight for them. Their leaders were intelligent (and rich) and knew exactly what their true cause was (and not "State's rights" bulls**t).

[Crumpets]

Not to go all Limo Liberal on the weather here, but there is a massive storm coming in over DC right now. Hehehe.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/district-of-columbia/weather-radar?play=1

[fhtagn]

As you have indicated, the vast majority of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1910's & 20's when Southern states were enacting Jim Crow laws.
There was also a significant, yet smaller spike in the 1950's & 60's during the Civil Rights movement.

See this graphic on this website (link below), showing the numbers and distribution of monuments over time. The article also points out that:
The chart illustrates upticks in the construction of Confederate monuments on courthouse grounds after the landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 upheld state segregation laws. The construction of monuments outside of schools jumped after the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, in which the Supreme Court deemed state laws segregating public schools to be unconstitutional.

So you can drop your "leftists want to abolish place and history" shtick.
All the evidence above shows that Southerners weren't really concerned about "history" when erecting these monuments. But instead, it was about using them as symbols of hate and intimidation.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras

Southern states started enacting Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century, though. Plus, as your graph indicates, the largest spike in public Confederate commemoration was already on the decline when the Klan was reformed in the 1910s. If anything, the strongest correlation is with the aging of Civil War veterans and the passage of the Civil War from people's living memory. Which makes perfect sense.

It "makes perfect sense" to Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white supremacists.

It makes sense to the people whose forefathers bore the brunt of the most destructive war in the history of the United States.

It makes sense to the people whose forefathers' main purpose of fighting was to preserve the act of enslaving other human beings (for money). The fact that they (the South) "bore the brunt" of the American Civil War (versus the North) was both justified and a grace to all humanity.

The vast majority of monuments are depicting their leaders, and not the sheep the leaders employed (and fooled) to fight for them. Their leaders were intelligent (and rich) and knew exactly what their true cause was (and not "State's rights" bulls**t).

Muhhh the South is nothing but evil scum, HP!

[Wells]

^ Nice Facebook meme, but an older quote than both of those is "Actions speak louder than words."

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

From what I've seen thus far, this is a perfect example of how these types of situations should occur. It's one thing to scream back and forth at one another (I've been participating in events like that since I sign-waved for McCain ten years ago), it's a whole another thing to start punching people just because you don't like their politics. Hopefully this will hold and we won't see another Charlottesville.

[ProudModerate2]

If anyone is interested, I found a couple of links that are showing the demonstrations LIVE :

https://abc7chicago.com/politics/watch-live-white-nationalists-gather-in-dc-for-unite-the-right-rally-face-anti-racist-protesters/3940624/

https://wtop.com/dc/2018/08/watch-white-nationalists-rally-in-dc-marking-charlottesville-anniversary/



Here is another one, scroll all the way to the bottom of the article for the feed:

https://www.newsweek.com/unite-right-2-protest-counter-protest-live-stream-updates-washington-dc-1069968

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things.  

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

And the Nazis are going to arguably the most Democratic city in the country aren't there to escalate things?

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

Are you really that daft? Do you know anything about Confederate monuments?

Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things.  

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

Yes, the counterprotestors are the problem. Not the people screaming 'race war now' or 'gas the k*kes' or the ones openly carrying guns or the ones who actually killed a person last year

Just imagine how peaceful the 1930s and 1940s could have been without all those problem people getting in the way of Imperial Japanese bullets, or declaring war on poor, innocent Germany? It's such a peaceful world the Republicans want. One where everyone but themselves is dead or a silent slave.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

As you have indicated, the vast majority of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1910's & 20's when Southern states were enacting Jim Crow laws.
There was also a significant, yet smaller spike in the 1950's & 60's during the Civil Rights movement.

See this graphic on this website (link below), showing the numbers and distribution of monuments over time. The article also points out that:
The chart illustrates upticks in the construction of Confederate monuments on courthouse grounds after the landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 upheld state segregation laws. The construction of monuments outside of schools jumped after the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, in which the Supreme Court deemed state laws segregating public schools to be unconstitutional.

So you can drop your "leftists want to abolish place and history" shtick.
All the evidence above shows that Southerners weren't really concerned about "history" when erecting these monuments. But instead, it was about using them as symbols of hate and intimidation.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras

Southern states started enacting Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century, though. Plus, as your graph indicates, the largest spike in public Confederate commemoration was already on the decline when the Klan was reformed in the 1910s. If anything, the strongest correlation is with the aging of Civil War veterans and the passage of the Civil War from people's living memory. Which makes perfect sense.

It "makes perfect sense" to Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white supremacists.

It makes sense to the people whose forefathers bore the bruntstarted and relentlessly pursued of the most destructive war in the history of the United States in order to defend slavery.

Fixed it for you.

You're welcome.

[Suburbia]

Confederate monuments and flags should be removed and put in historical museums. Period.

The Republican Party needs to stop coddling Confederates and say this loudly.

This is why I don't think Nikki Haley could have a path to a future GOP nomination with the party so Southern-centric.

[geekknight]

Muhhh the South is nothing but evil scum, HP!

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Even though Lee actually was opposed to slavery due to it being a "greater evil to the white man".
From his Wikipedia page (not allowed to post links yet):

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And on Abraham Lincoln's views on race, they were as backwards as most at the time, also from wikipedia:

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Also Frederick Douglass:

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So the actions do correspond with the words here.