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PresidentSamTilden
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« on: September 14, 2016, 04:16:00 PM »

Trump lead in OH outside of MoE confirmed. Hillary must be holding on in PA/NH/WI by a thread at this point. I don't think it's unfair to call this a 50/50 race right now, with one side having clear momentum.

Hopefully she can come back, but if not...well, the other candidate might win, lol. Sucks to be a young american right now.
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PresidentSamTilden
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2016, 04:17:36 PM »

besides from the fitness question a trump-biden election would have been an apocalyptic gaffe-armageddon, with two characters who are, in some ways, quite similar. Wink

Haha, you have a point there. It's funny how everyone thinks Biden is a magic bullet now...he's certainly made his fair share of campaign mistakes.
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PresidentSamTilden
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2016, 07:13:36 PM »

america is not stupid.

the people of the US are just not exceptional anymore ....the same waves as in good old europe. Wink

In a lot of ways, we're an older country now. We are the richest and most powerful, we're the establishment country, lol. We have been for the lifetimes of the vast majority of living americans. Such conditions aren't exactly the recipe for radical exceptionalism, are they?

In addition, america used to be by far the largest warehouse of fossil energy and mineral wealth. Much of these have been tapped and have peaked in their production. We've become the consumer rather than the producer.

HOWEVER, we still feel entitled to be treated as exceptional. Hence, Trump. So yeah, I agree with you.
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PresidentSamTilden
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2016, 08:47:05 PM »

In a lot of ways, we're an older country now. We are the richest and most powerful, we're the establishment country, lol. We have been for the lifetimes of the vast majority of living americans. Such conditions aren't exactly the recipe for radical exceptionalism, are they?
Your establishment is richest and most powerful; it is true. But what about regular people (without top 0.1% richest)?

Old Europe, especially Scandinavia + ~German countries, is much richer, safer, healthier, happier, more educated and you name it.

That's why we at most have 15-20% (with some exceptions) Trump'ish parties that have worked hard under many-many years to get there, despite terrible immigrations politics. And you've got Trump, coming from nowhere, who has descent chances to become the most powerful man in the world Smiley

We are actually to rich to risk. But you... What the hell do you have to lose? Smiley

Fair enough.

There is an argument though, very popular among the US right wing, that this is only so because we finance your defense. European countries spend far less on their military than the US, even by percentage. Your militarizes have not seen combat in a very long time, and are generally regarded to be in poor condition.

Donald Trump has made noises about lessening our commitments to our European allies as a result of this. I guess he wants to spend the savings to boost our economy by building more trump towers. Regardless, a withdrawal of US security for Eastern, Northern, and Central Europe would create an immense power vaccuum.

Oh well. Good thing Sweden doesn't have a large, militaristic, historical rival close to it's borders. Certainly, not one that has a history of influencing political parties in neighboring nations with implied and actual use of military force. And definitely not one that recently tested Swedish naval defenses by running a nuclear submarine under their largest port.

Nah...you guys will be fine without us. Let the good times roll...
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