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Indy Texas
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« on: September 21, 2014, 12:25:59 AM »

Bedouins are pretty much screwed either way. Palestinians hate them because many of them sided with Israel post-1948 and apparently Israel has decided it has little use for them either.
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2014, 04:16:31 PM »

That's a really misleading thing, dumb to say.  There are really legitimate issues when it comes to nomadic people living in a modern country.  I have no idea about this particular village, but Israel does have a problem with bedouins and land rights.  Many bedouins build villages on land they don't own without any building permits or legal right to remain.  Letting people build shacks on land they don't have legal title to is not ultimately a good policy for anyone.  Maybe you Israel haters want this story to be about some secret plan to put all bedouins in ghettos, but that's not at all true.

Imagine if we had bedouins in America, would we be cool with people building villages with no building permits on land they didn't have title to? In America, these people would be arrested.  And, here in the USA, we would consider most bedouins criminals because they're polygamists. 

Surely then the correct thing to do is to look at how to realistically legalise their way of life, instead of demonising and criminalising?

I mean, to look at the analogy of the Roma in Europe, something like 80% of their applications for planning permission for settlements are rejected, so its no surprise they end up building illegal shanty town.

It seems that forcing the Bedouin out of their way of life will just exarcebate the problem of illegal settlements.

Maybe Israel could do a better job, I'm no expert.  But, don't act like this is akin to Jews being forced in live in ghettos in Tsarist Russian or something. 

And, I just have to challenge your premise.  You can and should try to accommodate people of different culture and lifestyles.  But, you can't just say, laws don't apply to one group of people and you can never have a system of legal land ownership truly coexist with the system of nomadic tribes.  They just conflict.  How Israel manages that conflict, I don't really know honestly.  But, it's not that simple.

I'll add that recognizing property rights is not some evil capitalist Western scheme.  If you look at patterns of development, it's a huge net plus for the entire social welfare to create well-managed property rights.

Except that Israel does this all the time. Jews are subject to a different set of laws. Orthodox Jews are free to abide by their @$$-backwards Halachic law and Muslims can abide by their @$$-backwards Sharia. This is a country that has yet to grasp the civilized Western concept of secular, civil marriage.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2014, 08:44:03 PM »

How would this compare to the Reservations in the US?

Native Americans weren't all nomadic.

In terms of forced transfer of certain populations, the US is hardly alone. That's been going on and goes on all over the world.
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