Is Paid Leave (family/sick/vacation) or Single-payer healthcare better for Dems?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 20, 2024, 01:53:22 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Election Archive
  Election Archive
  2020 U.S. Presidential Election (Moderators: Likely Voter, YE)
  Is Paid Leave (family/sick/vacation) or Single-payer healthcare better for Dems?
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Poll
Question: Is Paid Leave (family/sick/vacation) or Single-payer healthcare better for Dems to focus on?
#1
Paid Leave (family/sick/vacation)
 
#2
Single-payer Healthcare
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 55

Author Topic: Is Paid Leave (family/sick/vacation) or Single-payer healthcare better for Dems?  (Read 663 times)
Blue3
Starwatcher
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,071
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: October 09, 2017, 08:41:22 PM »

Which is better for the Dems to focus on?
Logged
bagelman
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,633
United States


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: -4.17

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2017, 08:57:53 PM »

Paid leave could put pressure on poorer businesses to reduce wages or lay off workers. Single payer healthcare wouldn't require poorer businesses to pay more than their fair share, instead rich people who have the ability to pay a fair share of taxes would pay
Logged
Famous Mortimer
WillipsBrighton
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,010
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2017, 09:13:32 AM »

Paid leave would either result in most small businesses going out of business (bad change) or most small business being given an exemption (so really the policy would have no impact at all).

Obviously healthcare, which would have an immediate, positive effect on everyone.
Logged
The Other Castro
Castro2020
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,230
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2017, 11:30:51 AM »

For winning elections, single payer is probably a better mobilizer of voters.
Logged
MAINEiac4434
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,269
France


Political Matrix
E: -7.42, S: -8.78

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2017, 01:03:53 PM »

Both are good, both would move votes, and both should be part of the Democratic platform that should be shouted from the rooftops in 2020.

I am leaning paid leave, however, because I feel like at least 80% hate their jobs and more paid time off for them would be super appealing.

One could also make the argument that paid leave could create jobs, because with more people getting more time off, companies would have to hire more people to replace them.
Logged
PoliticalShelter
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 407
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2017, 02:10:45 PM »

The one that wouldn't cause massive amount of disruption toward people's healthcare situation.
Logged
Blue3
Starwatcher
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,071
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 03:46:14 PM »

This is a lot tighter than when single-payer was compared to free college and $15 minimum wage...
Logged
Blue3
Starwatcher
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,071
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2018, 09:58:59 PM »

Thoughts now?
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,729
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2018, 01:24:49 PM »

Paid leave could put pressure on poorer businesses to reduce wages or lay off workers. Single payer healthcare wouldn't require poorer businesses to pay more than their fair share, instead rich people who have the ability to pay a fair share of taxes would pay

You could structure paid leave so that it is a tax-funded insurance policy rather than each business being on the hook for it themselves. 

For businesses that don't already give their employees' generous health care policies, the tax increases for single-payer would be a much bigger cost than paid leave.
Logged
Progressive Pessimist
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 33,685
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.71, S: -7.65

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2018, 07:38:31 PM »

Both are good, both would move votes, and both should be part of the Democratic platform that should be shouted from the rooftops in 2020.

I am leaning paid leave, however, because I feel like at least 80% hate their jobs and more paid time off for them would be super appealing.

One could also make the argument that paid leave could create jobs, because with more people getting more time off, companies would have to hire more people to replace them.
Logged
bagelman
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,633
United States


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: -4.17

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2018, 07:42:19 PM »

Paid leave could put pressure on poorer businesses to reduce wages or lay off workers. Single payer healthcare wouldn't require poorer businesses to pay more than their fair share, instead rich people who have the ability to pay a fair share of taxes would pay

You could structure paid leave so that it is a tax-funded insurance policy rather than each business being on the hook for it themselves. 

For businesses that don't already give their employees' generous health care policies, the tax increases for single-payer would be a much bigger cost than paid leave.

That's a better way to do it. If all businesses have to pay for it, small business owners would balk - not just the sexist ones.

Paid leave would appeal strongly to bicoastal suburbanites with white collar jobs. To market a policy like PL Democrats need to structure it so it doesn't hurt small midwestern businesses.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.212 seconds with 10 queries.