Military Leaders: Pre 20th Century - Hannibal Barca is Survivor!

[Edu]

7 for Heraclius
5 for Bolivar
3 for Charlemagne
2 for Tariq ibn zeyad

Keep
2 for Pyrrhus
2 for San Martin

[Cincinnatus]

20 Simon Bolivar     
16 Heraclius
14  Charlemagne

12  Pyrrhus   Immune
11 Stonewall Jackson
5 Tecumseh Sherman         
5  Jose de San Martin
3 Saladin
2  Tariq ibn zeyad
-2 Frederick the Great
-2 David
-6  Ghengis Khan

Bolivar didn't last very long.  I think this was probably the best round so far in terms of spread, and the amount of different names that are on the above list.  Of course, Edu made a sly move and made Pyrrhus Immune, I knew I should of voted to keep Charlemagne 

[Cincinnatus]

Military Leaders Throughout History: Pre 20th Century


Thutmose III             (1482-1425BC)          
Ramses the Great         (1303-1213BC)
David                     (1040-970BC)    
Tiglath-Pileser III      (745-727)              
Cyrus the Great          (600-530BC)  
Darius I                (550-486 BC)              
Pericles                 (495-429BC)            
Epaminondas              (418-326BC)            
Alexander the Great      (356-323BC)            
Pyrrhus of Epirus        (318—272BC)  Immune
Chandragupta Maurya      (   -298BC)            
Fabius Maximus           (280-203BC)            
Qin Shi Huang            (259–210BC)                    
Scipio Africanus         (235-183BC)            
Hannibal Barca           (247-182BC)            
Julius Caesar            (100-44Bc)              


Aurelian                 (214-275)                
Alaric I                 (370-410)              
Flavius Aetius           (396-454)            
Attila the Hun           (434-453)  
Clovis                     (466-511)            
Flavius Belisarius       (500-565)              
Khalid ibn al-Walid      (592–642)              
Heraclius                (610-641)              
Charles Martel           (688-741)              
Tariq ibn zeyad          (689-720)              
Charlemagne              (742-814)              

William the Conqueror    (1028-1087)            
Saladin                  (1137-1193)            
Richard the Lionheart    (1157-1199)            
Ghengis Khan             (1162-1227)  
Philip II Augustus (1165-1223)    
Alexander Nevsky  (1220-1263)      
Timur                    (1336-1405)            
Jan Žižka                (1360-1424)            

George Skanderbeg        (1405-1468)            
John Hunyadi             (1407-1456)    
Joan of Arc               (1412-1431)     
Vlad III the Impaler     (1431–1476)            
Affonso de Albuquerque   (1453-1515)          
Gonzalo de Córdoba       (1453-1515)            
Selim I                  (1470-1520)            
Francisco Pizarro        (1471-1541)
Pierre Terrail, seigneur de Bayard  (1473-1524)            
Hernán Cortés            (1485-1547)            
Suleiman I               (1494-1556)            

Oda Nobunaga             (1534-1582)
Tokugawa Ieyasu     (1543-1616)                  
Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne   (1555-1623)            
Maurice of Nassau        (1567-1625)            
Albrecht von Wallenstein (1583-1634)            
Gustavus Adolphus        (1594-1632)            
Oliver Cromwell          (1599-1658)            
Michiel de Ruyter        (1607-1676)            
Louis de Bourbon         (1621-1686)            
John Churchill           (1650-1722)          
Prince Eugene of Savoy   (1663-1736)            
Charles XII              (1682-1718)            
Nader Shah               (1688-1747)            

Frederick The Great      (1712-1786)            
Alexander Suvorov        (1729-1800)            
George Washington        (1732-1799)            
Horatio Nelson           (1758-1805)            
Napoleon Bonaparte       (1769-1821)            
1st Duke of Wellington   (1769-1852)
Simon Bolivar           (1783-1830)      
José de San Martín       (1778-1850)            
Shaka Zulu               (1786-1828)            
Winfield Scott           (1786-1866)          

Moltke the Elder         (1800-1891)          
Giuseppe Garibaldi       (1807-1882)            
Robert E. Lee            (1807-1870)            
Tecumseh Sherman         (1820-1891)            
Ulysses S. Grant         (1822–1885)      
Stonewall Jackson        (1824-1863)



You can't edit your votes.  The Leader that is closest to being eliminated during a round (has the fourth most points) will have Immunity the next.  In the case of a tie, the earliest voter of the round in question (excluding myself), will choose between the Leaders tied.  





You can cast the following eliminating votes: (7-5-3-2), or (10-5), or (12).  You have 4 points to keep a single leader (4), or to split (2-2), or (3-1).  We will eliminate 3 Leaders.  Pyrrhus is Immune!

[Nhoj]

10 Stonewall Jackson       
5 Tecumseh Sherman         

keep
Ghengis Khan

[big bad fab]

Pyrrhus has fantastic victories, here: not like in RL !

Eliminate
7 Tariq ibn Zeyad
5 Sherman
3 Skanderbeg
2 Genghis Khan

Keep
3 Joan of Arc
1 Stonewall Jackson

[homelycooking]

7 José de San Martín
5 William Tecumseh Sherman
3 George Skanderbeg
2 Joan of Arc

Keep Genghis Khan and "Stonewall" Jackson

[Edu]

7 for George Skanderbeg
5 for Tariq ibn Zeyad
3 for Stonewall Jackson
2 for William Tecumseh Sherman

Keep
José de San Martín

[Cincinnatus]

7  Tariq ibn Zeyad
5  Sherman
3  Skanderberg
2  Joan of Arc

Keep:
Stonewall Jackson

[Cincinnatus]

22 Tecumseh Sherman
19 Tariq ibn Zeyad
16 Skanderbeg

6 Stonewall Jackson  Immune
3 José de San Martín
1 Joan of Arc
-4 Genghis Khan

Both Union leaders are eliminated, leaving Lee and Jackson as the only American leaders left.  I voted late so I decided to just keep the results as they would have been anyway.  Stonewall will be safe, leaving more recent leaders vulnerable. It's starting to look like we all favor the older leaders military leadership and tactical skills (battles), over people who brought inventive reform like Moltke, Wallenstein, ect.  Good choice though, because I prefer them as well

[Cincinnatus]

Military Leaders Throughout History: Pre 20th Century


Thutmose III             (1482-1425BC)          
Ramses the Great         (1303-1213BC)
David                     (1040-970BC)    
Tiglath-Pileser III      (745-727)              
Cyrus the Great          (600-530BC)  
Darius I                (550-486 BC)              
Pericles                 (495-429BC)            
Epaminondas              (418-326BC)            
Alexander the Great      (356-323BC)            
Pyrrhus of Epirus        (318—272BC)
Chandragupta Maurya      (   -298BC)            
Fabius Maximus           (280-203BC)            
Qin Shi Huang            (259–210BC)                    
Scipio Africanus         (235-183BC)            
Hannibal Barca           (247-182BC)            
Julius Caesar            (100-44Bc)              


Aurelian                 (214-275)                
Alaric I                 (370-410)              
Flavius Aetius           (396-454)            
Attila the Hun           (434-453)  
Clovis                     (466-511)            
Flavius Belisarius       (500-565)              
Khalid ibn al-Walid      (592–642)              
Heraclius                (610-641)              
Charles Martel           (688-741)              
Tariq ibn zeyad          (689-720)              
Charlemagne              (742-814)              

William the Conqueror    (1028-1087)            
Saladin                  (1137-1193)            
Richard the Lionheart    (1157-1199)            
Ghengis Khan             (1162-1227)  
Philip II Augustus (1165-1223)    
Alexander Nevsky  (1220-1263)      
Timur                    (1336-1405)            
Jan Žižka                (1360-1424)            

George Skanderbeg        (1405-1468)            
John Hunyadi             (1407-1456)    
Joan of Arc               (1412-1431)     
Vlad III the Impaler     (1431–1476)            
Affonso de Albuquerque   (1453-1515)          
Gonzalo de Córdoba       (1453-1515)            
Selim I                  (1470-1520)            
Francisco Pizarro        (1471-1541)
Pierre Terrail, seigneur de Bayard  (1473-1524)            
Hernán Cortés            (1485-1547)            
Suleiman I               (1494-1556)            

Oda Nobunaga             (1534-1582)
Tokugawa Ieyasu     (1543-1616)                  
Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne   (1555-1623)            
Maurice of Nassau        (1567-1625)            
Albrecht von Wallenstein (1583-1634)            
Gustavus Adolphus        (1594-1632)            
Oliver Cromwell          (1599-1658)            
Michiel de Ruyter        (1607-1676)            
Louis de Bourbon         (1621-1686)            
John Churchill           (1650-1722)          
Prince Eugene of Savoy   (1663-1736)            
Charles XII              (1682-1718)            
Nader Shah               (1688-1747)            

Frederick The Great      (1712-1786)            
Alexander Suvorov        (1729-1800)            
George Washington        (1732-1799)            
Horatio Nelson           (1758-1805)            
Napoleon Bonaparte       (1769-1821)            
1st Duke of Wellington   (1769-1852)
Simon Bolivar           (1783-1830)      
José de San Martín       (1778-1850)            
Shaka Zulu               (1786-1828)            
Winfield Scott           (1786-1866)          

Moltke the Elder         (1800-1891)          
Giuseppe Garibaldi       (1807-1882)            
Robert E. Lee            (1807-1870)            
Tecumseh Sherman         (1820-1891)            
Ulysses S. Grant         (1822–1885)      
Stonewall Jackson        (1824-1863)  Immune



You can't edit your votes.  The Leader that is closest to being eliminated during a round (has the fourth most points) will have Immunity the next.  In the case of a tie, the earliest voter of the round in question (excluding myself), will choose between the Leaders tied.  





You can cast the following eliminating votes: (7-5-3-2), or (10-5), or (12).  You have 4 points to keep a single leader (4), or to split (2-2), or (3-1).  We will eliminate 3 Leaders.  "Stonewall" Jackson is Immune!

[Cincinnatus]

7  Pyrrhus
5  Jose de San Martin
3  Joan of Arc
2  Saladin

Keep:
Robert Lee and Frederick the Great

[Nhoj]

7 Robert E. Lee
5 Joan of Arc
3 Jose de San Martin
2 Philip II Augustus

keep
Saladin

[big bad fab]

Eliminate
7 Pyrrhus (I hope Hans will vote this round: we may eventually manage in killing him ! err... Pyrrhus, not Hans )
5 José de San Martin ( forced move because Joan of Arc must be saved !)
3 Attila
2 Philip II Augustus

Keep
3 Joan of Arc
1 Robert E. Lee

[homelycooking]

7 José de San Martín      
5 Jeanne d'Arc
3 Philip II Augustus
2 Attila the Hun

Keep Moltke Pyrrhus () and Genghis Khan

[big bad fab]

Moltke is dead, homely .

[Cincinnatus]

Indeed, he's been dead for about 3 rounds.  Choose a different keep, or I'll just assume it's 4 to keep Genghis.

[Edu]

Well, San Martin will be gone one way or the other so i'll try to save Pyrrhus.

10 for Philip II Augustus
5 for Joan of Arc

Keep
2 for Attila
2 for Pyrrhus

[Cincinnatus]

20 Jose de San Martin
17  Philip II Augustus
15  Joan of Arc

10 Pyrrhus  Immune
4  Robert Lee
3  Attila
-2 Ghengis Khan
-2  Saladin
-2 Frederick the Great


Pyrrhus again?  Haven't you people ever heard of a "Pyrrhic Victory"?  Oh well, it's amusing that he keeps avoiding elimination.

[Cincinnatus]

Military Leaders Throughout History: Pre 20th Century


Thutmose III             (1482-1425BC)          
Ramses the Great         (1303-1213BC)
David                     (1040-970BC)    
Tiglath-Pileser III      (745-727)              
Cyrus the Great          (600-530BC)  
Darius I                (550-486 BC)              
Pericles                 (495-429BC)            
Epaminondas              (418-326BC)            
Alexander the Great      (356-323BC)            
Pyrrhus of Epirus        (318—272BC)   Immune
Chandragupta Maurya      (   -298BC)            
Fabius Maximus           (280-203BC)            
Qin Shi Huang            (259–210BC)                    
Scipio Africanus         (235-183BC)            
Hannibal Barca           (247-182BC)            
Julius Caesar            (100-44Bc)              


Aurelian                 (214-275)                
Alaric I                 (370-410)              
Flavius Aetius           (396-454)            
Attila the Hun           (434-453)  
Clovis                     (466-511)            
Flavius Belisarius       (500-565)              
Khalid ibn al-Walid      (592–642)              
Heraclius                (610-641)              
Charles Martel           (688-741)              
Tariq ibn zeyad          (689-720)              
Charlemagne              (742-814)              

William the Conqueror    (1028-1087)            
Saladin                  (1137-1193)            
Richard the Lionheart    (1157-1199)            
Ghengis Khan             (1162-1227)  
Philip II Augustus (1165-1223)    
Alexander Nevsky  (1220-1263)      
Timur                    (1336-1405)            
Jan Žižka                (1360-1424)            

George Skanderbeg        (1405-1468)            
John Hunyadi             (1407-1456)    
Joan of Arc               (1412-1431)     
Vlad III the Impaler     (1431–1476)            
Affonso de Albuquerque   (1453-1515)          
Gonzalo de Córdoba       (1453-1515)            
Selim I                  (1470-1520)            
Francisco Pizarro        (1471-1541)
Pierre Terrail, seigneur de Bayard  (1473-1524)            
Hernán Cortés            (1485-1547)            
Suleiman I               (1494-1556)            

Oda Nobunaga             (1534-1582)
Tokugawa Ieyasu     (1543-1616)                  
Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne   (1555-1623)            
Maurice of Nassau        (1567-1625)            
Albrecht von Wallenstein (1583-1634)            
Gustavus Adolphus        (1594-1632)            
Oliver Cromwell          (1599-1658)            
Michiel de Ruyter        (1607-1676)            
Louis de Bourbon         (1621-1686)            
John Churchill           (1650-1722)          
Prince Eugene of Savoy   (1663-1736)            
Charles XII              (1682-1718)            
Nader Shah               (1688-1747)            

Frederick The Great      (1712-1786)            
Alexander Suvorov        (1729-1800)            
George Washington        (1732-1799)            
Horatio Nelson           (1758-1805)            
Napoleon Bonaparte       (1769-1821)            
1st Duke of Wellington   (1769-1852)
Simon Bolivar           (1783-1830)      
José de San Martín       (1778-1850)            
Shaka Zulu               (1786-1828)            
Winfield Scott           (1786-1866)          

Moltke the Elder         (1800-1891)          
Giuseppe Garibaldi       (1807-1882)            
Robert E. Lee            (1807-1870)            
Tecumseh Sherman         (1820-1891)            
Ulysses S. Grant         (1822–1885)      
Stonewall Jackson        (1824-1863) 



You can't edit your votes.  The Leader that is closest to being eliminated during a round (has the fourth most points) will have Immunity the next.  In the case of a tie, the earliest voter of the round in question (excluding myself), will choose between the Leaders tied.  





You can cast the following eliminating votes: (7-5-3-2), or (10-5), or (12).  You have 4 points to keep a single leader (4), or to split (2-2), or (3-1).  We will eliminate 3 Leaders.  Pyrrhus is Immune!

[homelycooking]

7 Attila
5 David
3 Epaminondas
2 Selim I

Keep Pericles and Suleiman I

[Nhoj]

10 Stonewall Jackson       
5 Robert E. Lee

keep
2 Ghengis Khan             
2 Attila

[big bad fab]

The worst round: Joan of Arc outside and Pyrrhus still inside...

Eliminate
7 Attila
5 Frederick the Great
3 Selim I
2 Pericles

Keep
2 Robert E. Lee
2 Stonewall Jackson

(well, the Frenchie defending both Southerners... but Lee definitely deserves to stay with us some more rounds, and Jackson may become another Pyrrhus )

[Hans-im-Glück]

Eliminate:
7  Suleiman I
5  David
3  Stonewall Jackson
2  Selim I

Keep:
2  Robert E. Lee
2  Frederick the great

[big bad fab]

OMG, should have protected David

[Cincinnatus]

10  Selim I
5  Stonewall Jackson

Keep:
David (Don't want to eliminate him yet)