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Author Topic: L 14.2 - Lincoln Gun Control Repeal Act of 2018 (Passed)  (Read 1815 times)
wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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« on: December 04, 2018, 12:56:57 AM »
« edited: December 22, 2018, 01:06:49 AM by Lt. Gov. wxtransit »


Sponsor: 1184AZ
Bill designation: L 14.2
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2018, 12:59:04 AM »

Lincoln Assembly Bill 14.2 is now on the Assembly floor. Debate on this legislation has now begun and will last no less than 72 hours.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2018, 02:01:40 AM »

This was law already? It doesn't make any sense ...

1. Class C is for "Assault rifles and other semiautomatic weapons", however by every non-Lincoln definition an Assault Rifle is fully automatic, not semiautomatic.

2. Most handguns and rifles, and even some shotguns are semiautomatic. As an AK47 owner, as the law is currently written I have no idea if id have to obtain a class B license for rifles or Class C for semiautomatics. Ditto if I had a Beretta 9 mm handgun.

3. Bump stocks are considered as machine guns and are thus heavily regulated as to basically make them unavailable.

That ties in with an earlier intervention. The solution is not to repeal this law in such a manner that there is basically no control at all, but write it in a more efficient and conscious way.

Given that the law, as written, takes effect in less than a month but is written in such a confusing, intrusive, haphazard manner, the law should at least be postponed a year either to correct it further or have the bureaucrats explain execution better. The law needs to be heavily amended but amending it less than a month prior to taking effect will not provide govt employees or the public adequate time to figure out the law.
I agree with Mr. R here. I do think some of the restrictions in the original bill go a bit to far, but I also think that we need some time to thoroughly debate this bill and work out all the kinks, and give Lincolnites time to give their own input and advice on the bill.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


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E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2018, 02:05:29 AM »

I propose the following amendment, as a stopgap until we can get the rest worked out:
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2018, 02:07:57 AM »

The sponsor has 24 hours to declare whether the amendment is friendly or hostile.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2018, 02:20:22 AM »

Hostile. I don’t see how the licensing system will accomplish much of anything on the subject of reducing gun violence and their are issues with other sections of this bill as well that need to be addressed.

Yes, and I additionally want to remove it, but first I'd rather have the date extended so we aren't still debating this and it goes into effect, as the deadline is less than a few weeks away.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2018, 02:26:02 AM »

A 48-hour vote is now open on the amendment. Assembly members please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2018, 07:21:27 PM »

Aye.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2018, 08:26:02 PM »

As all Assembly members have voted, I can now close the vote.

Aye: wxtransit, Peanut
Nay: 1184AZ

The amendment passes. Debate will now resume.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2018, 09:00:17 PM »

Alright, I'll first offer this amendment to the floor. As it was brought up that bump stocks are already regulated, portions of Section 2 are rendered redundant:

Sponsor feedback: Pending
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2018, 09:38:09 PM »

So if Rod screams at his brother Todd "I hate you and Im going to kill you!!!" But Todd doesn't report the threat, has a crime been committed under this law if 45 days later Rod buys a hunting rifle to gift to Todd as an Im sorry present? have either Rod, Todd, or the gundealer who performed a background check committed a crime?

That is problematic. How would you suggest fixing it? Removing "specific citizen," and adding "public" before "specific threat"?
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2018, 09:40:51 PM »

So if Rod screams at his brother Todd "I hate you and Im going to kill you!!!" But Todd doesn't report the threat, has a crime been committed under this law if 45 days later Rod buys a hunting rifle to gift to Todd as an Im sorry present? have either Rod, Todd, or the gundealer who performed a background check committed a crime?

That is problematic. How would you suggest fixing it? Removing "specific citizen," and adding "public" before "specific threat"?

I don't think that really does a lot - this situation can still occur in public, and serious threats can still (and may be more likely to) occur in private.

How could that be monitored, then?
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2018, 10:10:51 PM »

So if Rod screams at his brother Todd "I hate you and Im going to kill you!!!" But Todd doesn't report the threat, has a crime been committed under this law if 45 days later Rod buys a hunting rifle to gift to Todd as an Im sorry present? have either Rod, Todd, or the gundealer who performed a background check committed a crime?

That is problematic. How would you suggest fixing it? Removing "specific citizen," and adding "public" before "specific threat"?

Repeal everything Smiley

Well, that too. If I can't come up with a better way to word that (or any other Assembly member here), then I'll just go with that.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2018, 12:32:25 AM »

I withdraw my amendment and introduce this amendment. The requirement against threats seems practically unenforceable and open to abuse, and I haven't heard or been able to come up with any good alternatives or cases for keeping it.

Sponsor feedback: Pending
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2018, 12:33:01 AM »

Sponsor must comment on whether this amendment is friendly or hostile or the amendment will go to a vote in 24 hours.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2018, 05:08:49 PM »

Both amendments are now on the floor. Members have 24 hours to object.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2018, 07:37:34 PM »

Both amendments are adopted. Debate will now resume.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2018, 09:56:49 PM »

Any further concerns with this bill?
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2018, 10:16:58 PM »

Motion for a final vote now on the floor, 24 hours to object.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2018, 11:41:21 PM »

Final vote now underway. 72 hours.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2018, 11:46:43 PM »

Aye.
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wxtransit
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,105


Political Matrix
E: -0.26, S: 2.43

« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2018, 01:14:11 AM »

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Section 3: Implementation

1. Sections 2, 3, and 4 of the Lincoln Gun Control Act shall go into effect immediately upon passage.
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Passed in the Lincoln Assembly 2-1
Speaker of the Lincoln Assembly

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Governor of Lincoln
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The preceding is presented to the Governor's desk.

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