Brazil Presidential and Congressional Elections 2018

[Lumine]

I think Kal and I agree that there's only one remaining savior for Brazil:

[RodPresident]

Steelworkers' Union of ABC, Lula's political birthplace, is full of militants and Lula's sympathizers who are giving support to former President. MTST leader and PSOL presidential candidate Guilherme Boulos led 5000 homeless people to give support. Legitimate president Dilma Rousseff is also with him and lots of congressmen. Lula probably will wait PF to take him.

[Oryxslayer]

I know some people don't like it but defending Lula and Rousseff against corruption charges isn't the smartest thing to do. They, like many Brazilian politicians, have some shady stuff...

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

I know some people don't like it but defending Lula and Rousseff against corruption charges isn't the smartest thing to do. They, like many Brazilian politicians, have some shady stuff...

This

[jaichind]

Why does not PT nominate one of Lula's children as its candidate in a campaign for justice for Lula?  If all those voters that would have voted for Lula also feel he is being locked up to prevent his victory then this should be a sure fire way for PT to win.

[fluffypanther19]

I know some people don't like it but defending Lula and Rousseff against corruption charges isn't the smartest thing to do. They, like many Brazilian politicians, have some shady stuff...

This

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Well, one has to admit being a left-wing President in Brazil usually lands you in trouble

Getulio Vargas: shot himself with a military coup seeming inevitable
Joao Goulart: deposed by the military
Lula: about to go to jail
Dilma: impeached and removed from office

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Lula turned himself in a few minutes ago, and he's being transported in a police car to the airport

[MaxQue]

RIP Brazilian Democracy.

Hopefully, the left takes weapons and remove corrupt Temer, corrupt generals and corrupt judges.

[MaxQue]

I've heard some small fireworks here where I live, but I'm not sure if they are because of Lula's prison. It's been confirmed that fireworks were lighted because of Lula's prison in some cities like Belo Horizonte, São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Curitiba.

RIP Brazilian Democracy.

Hopefully, the left takes weapons and remove corrupt Temer, corrupt generals and corrupt judges.

So jailing corrupt people is against democracy?

Why Temer is not in jail then?

[MaxQue]

I've heard some small fireworks here where I live, but I'm not sure if they are because of Lula's prison. It's been confirmed that fireworks were lighted because of Lula's prison in some cities like Belo Horizonte, São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Curitiba.

RIP Brazilian Democracy.

Hopefully, the left takes weapons and remove corrupt Temer, corrupt generals and corrupt judges.

So jailing corrupt people is against democracy?

Why Temer is not in jail then?

Because Brazil's law sucks and because of this he has legal immunity because he is the president, but he should be in jail, and not only him but most Brazilian politicians.

No, he's not going to jail, because the judges are corrupted by right-wing money.

[MaxQue]

I've heard some small fireworks here where I live, but I'm not sure if they are because of Lula's prison. It's been confirmed that fireworks were lighted because of Lula's prison in some cities like Belo Horizonte, São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Curitiba.

RIP Brazilian Democracy.

Hopefully, the left takes weapons and remove corrupt Temer, corrupt generals and corrupt judges.

So jailing corrupt people is against democracy?

Why Temer is not in jail then?

Because Brazil's law sucks and because of this he has legal immunity because he is the president, but he should be in jail, and not only him but most Brazilian politicians.

No, he's not going to jail, because the judges are corrupted by right-wing money.

Like Lewandowski and Toffoli? No, they're left wing, there are many left wing judges in Brazil too. Right wing politicians and politicians who aren't from parties like PT and PSOL are also jailed, remember Eduardo Cunha? Geddel? Sergio Cabral? Argôlo? And I'd like to remember that Moro condemned lobbyists linked to PMDB

I agree, Temer is probably not going to jail after his term ends, STF would likely save him (but I don't rule out anything, specially coming from the STF), but we shouldn't be saying that "democracy is destroyed" because one corrupt man was jailed, regardless of his political positions, every step to less corruption should be celebrated, specially in a country like Brazil.

If the most free market, libertarian politician in the country was jailed because of corruption, I'd still be happy and not saying that democracy was destroyed, because it's a step to less corruption and the left should do this too when a left wing corrupt guy is jailed.

But if you add the Army murdering left-wing politicians and the illegimate impeachment...

[Lumine]

About time they finally put Lula in jail.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I've heard some small fireworks here where I live, but I'm not sure if they are because of Lula's prison. It's been confirmed that fireworks were lighted because of Lula's prison in some cities like Belo Horizonte, São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Curitiba.

RIP Brazilian Democracy.

Hopefully, the left takes weapons and remove corrupt Temer, corrupt generals and corrupt judges.

So jailing corrupt people is against democracy?

Why Temer is not in jail then?

Because Brazil's law sucks and because of this he has legal immunity because he is the president, but he should be in jail, and not only him but most Brazilian politicians.

And Dilma didn't have such legal immunity?

[RodPresident]

I've heard some small fireworks here where I live, but I'm not sure if they are because of Lula's prison. It's been confirmed that fireworks were lighted because of Lula's prison in some cities like Belo Horizonte, São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Curitiba.

RIP Brazilian Democracy.

Hopefully, the left takes weapons and remove corrupt Temer, corrupt generals and corrupt judges.

So jailing corrupt people is against democracy?

Why Temer is not in jail then?

Because Brazil's law sucks and because of this he has legal immunity because he is the president, but he should be in jail, and not only him but most Brazilian politicians.

No, he's not going to jail, because the judges are corrupted by right-wing money.

Like Lewandowski and Toffoli? No, they're left wing, there are many left wing judges in Brazil too. Right wing politicians and politicians who aren't from parties like PT and PSOL are also jailed, remember Eduardo Cunha? Geddel? Sergio Cabral? Argôlo? And I'd like to remember that Moro condemned lobbyists linked to PMDB

I agree, Temer is probably not going to jail after his term ends, STF would likely save him (but I don't rule out anything, specially coming from the STF), but we shouldn't be saying that "democracy is destroyed" because one corrupt man was jailed, regardless of his political positions, every step to less corruption should be celebrated, specially in a country like Brazil.

If the most free market, libertarian politician in the country was jailed because of corruption, I'd still be happy and not saying that democracy was destroyed, because it's a step to less corruption and the left should do this too when a left wing corrupt guy is jailed.

But if you add the Army murdering left-wing politicians and the illegimate impeachment...

The number of politicians, specially left wing politicians, the army killed since the end of the military dictatorship (1985) is zero, zero politicians have been killed by the army since then, and if you're talking about Marielle, there is still no one who is officially guilty, no credible news source I've seen included the army as suspects (but some included the police).

And no, the impeachment wasn't a "coup" or "illegitimate" a coup is when a government is deposed illegally, the impeachment wasn't illegal, it was totally fine according to the law, article 85 of the constitution of Brazil establishes that it is an administrative misconduct of the president to violate the constitution, specially against:

I - the existence of the union
II - the exercise of the legislative power, the judiciary power, the public prosecutor and the states
III - the exercise of political, social and individual rights
IV - the security of the country
V - the probity in administration
VI - the federal budget
VII - the execution of laws and judicial decisions

Dilma disregarded the federal budget with her fiscal pedaling, the impeachment was totally justified, legitimate and legal, it wasn't a coup.

Impeachment was a fraud because TCU (Accountancy Court) allowed it for all presidents, but they created problems only for Dilma. And a lot of Congressman tried her not for it but for other things.
And Porto Alegre's appeal court skipped 257 cases to go to try Lula. Appeal's reporter is a Moro's friend and shares a lot of his world view. And Curitiba limited investigations only to after 2003, when there were corruption allegations from FHC's times.
Human rights crimes are worse since 2016 coup because they got "legitimacy" to their violence.
Here's a list of 24 murders since 2014 against indigenous, unionists, landless, homeless leaders http://operamundi.uol.com.br/conteudo/geral/49021/nao+e+so+marielle+conheca+mais+24+casos+de+liderancas+politicas+mortas+nos+ultimos+quatro+anos.shtml. And this is only a small part. And Justice usually works bad for this affairs. In Bahia, two businessman ordered a murder of a unionist (who was killed along her wife) in 2010 and they weren't even tried until now.

[RodPresident]

I've heard some small fireworks here where I live, but I'm not sure if they are because of Lula's prison. It's been confirmed that fireworks were lighted because of Lula's prison in some cities like Belo Horizonte, São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Curitiba.

RIP Brazilian Democracy.

Hopefully, the left takes weapons and remove corrupt Temer, corrupt generals and corrupt judges.

So jailing corrupt people is against democracy?

Why Temer is not in jail then?

Because Brazil's law sucks and because of this he has legal immunity because he is the president, but he should be in jail, and not only him but most Brazilian politicians.

No, he's not going to jail, because the judges are corrupted by right-wing money.

Like Lewandowski and Toffoli? No, they're left wing, there are many left wing judges in Brazil too. Right wing politicians and politicians who aren't from parties like PT and PSOL are also jailed, remember Eduardo Cunha? Geddel? Sergio Cabral? Argôlo? And I'd like to remember that Moro condemned lobbyists linked to PMDB

I agree, Temer is probably not going to jail after his term ends, STF would likely save him (but I don't rule out anything, specially coming from the STF), but we shouldn't be saying that "democracy is destroyed" because one corrupt man was jailed, regardless of his political positions, every step to less corruption should be celebrated, specially in a country like Brazil.

If the most free market, libertarian politician in the country was jailed because of corruption, I'd still be happy and not saying that democracy was destroyed, because it's a step to less corruption and the left should do this too when a left wing corrupt guy is jailed.

But if you add the Army murdering left-wing politicians and the illegimate impeachment...

The number of politicians, specially left wing politicians, the army killed since the end of the military dictatorship (1985) is zero, zero politicians have been killed by the army since then, and if you're talking about Marielle, there is still no one who is officially guilty, no credible news source I've seen included the army as suspects (but some included the police).

And no, the impeachment wasn't a "coup" or "illegitimate" a coup is when a government is deposed illegally, the impeachment wasn't illegal, it was totally fine according to the law, article 85 of the constitution of Brazil establishes that it is an administrative misconduct of the president to violate the constitution, specially against:

I - the existence of the union
II - the exercise of the legislative power, the judiciary power, the public prosecutor and the states
III - the exercise of political, social and individual rights
IV - the security of the country
V - the probity in administration
VI - the federal budget
VII - the execution of laws and judicial decisions

Dilma disregarded the federal budget with her fiscal pedaling, the impeachment was totally justified, legitimate and legal, it wasn't a coup.

Impeachment was a fraud because TCU (Accountancy Court) allowed it for all presidents, but they created problems only for Dilma. And a lot of Congressman tried her not for it but for other things.
And Porto Alegre's appeal court skipped 257 cases to go to try Lula. Appeal's reporter is a Moro's friend and shares a lot of his world view. And Curitiba limited investigations only to after 2003, when there were corruption allegations from FHC's times.
Human rights crimes are worse since 2016 coup because they got "legitimacy" to their violence.
Here's a list of 24 murders since 2014 against indigenous, unionists, landless, homeless leaders http://operamundi.uol.com.br/conteudo/geral/49021/nao+e+so+marielle+conheca+mais+24+casos+de+liderancas+politicas+mortas+nos+ultimos+quatro+anos.shtml. And this is only a small part. And Justice usually works bad for this affairs. In Bahia, two businessman ordered a murder of a unionist (who was killed along her wife) in 2010 and they weren't even tried until now.

The fact that the TCU allowed other presidents to get away enters another discussion, if the impeachment was right or wrong, if it was moral or not, but that is not what I'm discussing, what I'm saying is basically that the impeachment, according to the Brazilian constitution simply isn't a coup because it's allowed by it, what Dilma did was an administrative misconduct and that's impeachable, other presidents also did it? Yes, should they have been impeached because they also committed an impeachable offense according to the constitution? Yes, Does this mean that what Dilma did was justified and she shouldn't have been impeached? No.

It's good to remember that the fact that Lula has been tried relatively fast can easily be explained by article 71 of the Statute of the Eldery, that explicitly says that people who are 60 years old or older (like Lula) have priority during any criminal process that include them.

Murders of political leaders do in fact occur, and I never said they didn't, what I said was that the army killed zero politicians since the end of the dictatorship in 1985, this doesn't equate to no political leader being killed. And it's true that justice fails to find and punish killers of many political leaders, but this isn't a problem only to left wing political leaders, this is a problem that most Brazilians have, regardless of their political leanings, according to O Globo, only about 5% of the cases of murder are solved, this is a general problem in Brazil.

Left wingers aren't the only ones that suffer with violence, a politician from PT assaulted man and caused him to go to the doctor because of a head injury, and the reason was almost surely about politics. MST, a left wing movement, is involved in multiple invasions of private property and there are cases where they actually cause a considerable amount of demage by setting things on fire and stealing cattle.

Trying to make rule of law with a gangster, like Eduardo Cunha, is comical... And that guy who went with a head injury made offenses against PT leaders and tried to interrupt one interview by senator Lindbergh Farias (PT-RJ).
And MBL fake news' factory keeps acting as Artur do Val (who'll run for state legislator in Sao Paulo for DEM) altered Ciro's vídeo putting resources that gave intensity to supposed slap.
And another presidential candidate is Aldo Rebelo, former speaker of Chamber and minister to Lula and Dilma (Institutional Relations, Sports, Science and Technology and Defense) who joined Solidarity. He entered PSB last year after leaving his lifelong party PC do B (former hoxhaists who became democratic socialists), but he left due Barbosa's joining party. Solidarity is led by notorius crook Paulo Pereira da Silva, leader of Força Sindical trade union and one of Cunha's supporters until the end. One of Solidarity congressman, Wladmir Costa, made a tattoo (who later got discovered to be of henna) with Temer's name and brazilian flag before congresso voting one of Temer's indictments.

[Leading Political Consultant Ma Anand Sheela]

Can anyone here explain where Marina Silva stands ideologically? The foreign coverage of her I've seen is extremely vague on what she actually proposes to do.

[RodPresident]

Can anyone here explain where Marina Silva stands ideologically? The foreign coverage of her I've seen is extremely vague on what she actually proposes to do.

Marina was member of PT until 2009, when she refused to endorse Dilma and launched her presidential bid by PV. She was a former rubber collector who became senator and Enviroment Minister in Lula's government. Her platform is very enviromentalist, against great infrastructure works in Amazon. In economics, she's somewhat neoliberal, supporting Central Bank's autonomy, labor and pension reforms, even that her congressional caucus opposes. Now, her party (Network) has only 2 deputies and 1 senator in Congress who leaves her in a very weak position.

[RodPresident]

New poll by CNT/MDA (May 9-12) Error margin: +/- 2.2%
With Lula
Lula (PT) 32.4%
Jair Bolsonaro (PSL) 16.7%
Marina Silva (Rede) 7.6%
Ciro Gomes (PDT) 5.4%
Geraldo Alckmin (PSDB) 4.0%
Álvaro Dias (Podemos) 2.5%
Fernando Collor (PTC) 0.9%
Michel Temer (MDB) 0.9%
Guilherme Boulos (PSOL)0.5%
Manuela D´Ávila (PC do B) 0.5%
João Amoedo (Novo) 0.4%
Flávio Rocha (PRB) 0.4%
Henrique Meirelles (MDB) 0.3%
Rodrigo Maia (DEM) 0.2%
Paulo Rabello de Castro (PSC) 0.1%
Blank votes 18.0%
Undecided 8.7%
Without Lula 1
Jair Bolsonaro (PSL) 18.3%
Marina Silva (Rede) 11.2%
Ciro Gomes (PDT) 9.0%
Geraldo Alckmin (PSDB) 5.3%
Álvaro Dias (Podemos) 3.0%
Fernando Haddad (PT) 2.3%
Fernando Collor (PTC) 1,4%
Manuela D´Ávila (PC do B) 0.9%
Guilherme Boulos (PSOL) 0.6%
João Amoedo (Novo) 0.6%
Henrique Meirelles (MDB) 0.5%
Flávio Rocha (PRB) 0.4%
Rodrigo Maia (DEM) 0.4%
Paulo Rabello de Castro (PSC) 0.1%
Without Lula 2
Jair Bolsonaro (PSL) 19.7%
Marina Silva (Rede)15.1%
Ciro Gomes (PDT) 11.1%
Geraldo Alckmin (PDT) 8.1%
Fernando Haddad (PT) 3.8%
Blank votes 30.1%
Undecided 12,1%.
Blank votes 29.6%
Undecided 16,1%
Runoff
Lula 45.7%
Bolsonaro 25.7%

Lula 44.4%
Marina 21.1%

Lula 44.9%
Alckmin 19.6%

Lula 49%
Temer 8.3%

Lula 47.1%
Meireles 13.3%

Bolsonaro 27.2%
Marina 27.2%

Bolsonaro 28.2%
Ciro 24.2%

Bolsonaro 27.8%
Alckmin 20.2%

Ciro 20.9%
Alckmin 20.4%

Marina 26.6%
Alckmin 20.2%

Rejection

Temer: 87.8%
Marina: 56.5%
Alckmin: 55.9%
Maia: 55.6%
Bolsonaro: 52.8%
Meirelles: 48.8%
Lula: 46.8%
Ciro: 46.4%
Haddad: 46.1%

[jaichind]

A Billion Dead Chickens Show Toll of Strike Paralyzing Brazil

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-25/strike-halted-in-brazil-as-government-agrees-to-fix-fuel-prices

Wow.  A billion chickens will most likely die ....

[jaichind]

Ibovespa fell 4.5% and closes Below 200-Day Moving Average because of the strikes.  I wonder who is benefiting from all this.  I have to assume it is Bolsonaro.

[RodPresident]

Judge Rogerio Favretto, on duty for TRF-4, ordered release of presidential candidate, former presidente Luis Inácio Lula da Silva (PT).

[MaxQue]

Judge Rogerio Favretto, on duty for TRF-4, ordered release of presidential candidate, former presidente Luis Inácio Lula da Silva (PT).

Judge Sergio Moro just said Favreto can't release Lula and called him "absolutely incompetent", he also suspended Lula's release ordered by Rogerio.

Apparently Favreto was a member of PT for 20 years before becoming a judge and worked for the former Rio Grande do Sul governor Tarso Genro, who is also a member of PT.

Edit 1: Rogerio once again ordered Lula's release after Moro said no.

Edit 2: Judge João Pedro Gebran, decided that Lula should remain in jail.

At last, someone tries to stand against ultra-corrupt Moro(n).

[seb_pard]

I read in elpais.es that they asked three experts about Favreto's competences (didn't mention who), and the three said that he had the power to order Lula's release.

[buritobr]

Bad news for Alckmin and Bolsonaro

Facebook removed lots of fake news pages controled by the far-right group MBL. Now, far-right judges want to sue Facebook.

It is ironic to see a pro-free enterprise and anti-state intervention group protesting against a private firm (Facebook) and trying to use the state justice against it