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« on: November 10, 2018, 02:29:02 AM »

Out of state Federalist agitators do not belong in this discussion. I urge all Fremonters to ignore their agitation.
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2018, 09:50:53 PM »
« Edited: November 13, 2018, 10:43:40 PM by Devout Centrist »

I find that such tactics from out of state agitators are unsavory, to say the least. I recommend that the respected former member of the House seek to win another election before making outrageous comments about myself and my colleagues.

As it stands, I have developed a draft definition for the term 'Assault Weapon'. Note that the goal of this legislation is not to prohibit hunting, gun crafting, accessorizing, modifying, or experimentation, where hobbyists see fit. To this end, I have created a stricter definition:

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I also motion that sections 2-4 and 3-2 be struck from this bill.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2018, 10:52:46 PM »

I urge my colleagues to review the proposed definition and suggest alterations.
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2018, 01:19:41 AM »

Sustained rate of fire is too nebulous a measure, as its just a ballpark estimate of what a typical trained soldier can fire. When I googled it, some AR15 manuals boast 45 RPM but Wiki said 12-15 RPM is more accurate. Are you going to rely on manuals? Because they will deliberately underreport. Are you going to randomly pick a National Guardsman and let him set the sustained RPM pace? How "scientific".

With a semiautomatic rifle the RPM should be relatively uniform. If you can sustain a rate of fire of 30 trigger pulls/reaiming with an AR15, you can def sustain that rate of fire with a.22 that has almost no recoil. Or .22s are guns for babies. This would ban practically any semiautomatic firearm including .22 hunting rifles as well as any semiautomatic handgun.
Yes, sustained rate of fire is relatively nebulous, but it's the more lenient of the two measures. Cyclic is perhaps too onerous. Of course, this is the initial draft and I will propose more precise language in the revision. I wouldn't be opposed to using terms within the manual.

The second point about banning practically any semiautomatic firearm, however, would not hold because of the other test included in part 1. Gas operated firearms will be perfectly fine; only direct impingement and open bolt firearms would be targeted.
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2018, 09:25:28 AM »
« Edited: November 14, 2018, 09:52:30 AM by Devout Centrist »

Sustained rate of fire is too nebulous a measure, as its just a ballpark estimate of what a typical trained soldier can fire. When I googled it, some AR15 manuals boast 45 RPM but Wiki said 12-15 RPM is more accurate. Are you going to rely on manuals? Because they will deliberately underreport. Are you going to randomly pick a National Guardsman and let him set the sustained RPM pace? How "scientific".

With a semiautomatic rifle the RPM should be relatively uniform. If you can sustain a rate of fire of 30 trigger pulls/reaiming with an AR15, you can def sustain that rate of fire with a.22 that has almost no recoil. Or .22s are guns for babies. This would ban practically any semiautomatic firearm including .22 hunting rifles as well as any semiautomatic handgun.
Yes, sustained rate of fire is relatively nebulous, but it's the more lenient of the two measures. Cyclic is perhaps too onerous. Of course, this is the initial draft and I will propose more precise language in the revision. I wouldn't be opposed to using terms within the manual.

The second point about banning practically any semiautomatic firearm, however, would not hold because of the other test included in part 1. Gas operated firearms will be perfectly fine; only direct impingement and open bolt firearms would be targeted.

So to clarify it is your position that my semiautomatic AK47 clone and my custom AR15 build, both of which contain gas pistons, will still be legal the next time I spend a week target shooting in Fremont?
I will reiterate that the goal of this legislation is to create regulations for manufacturers and not for hobbyists.
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2018, 04:43:43 PM »
« Edited: November 14, 2018, 06:27:49 PM by Devout Centrist »

You should offer another amendment then to remove possession and use from what is being banned then.
Yes, that's a fair point, I'll offer up an amendment shortly.
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2018, 07:56:54 PM »

I motion for section 3-1's wording be amended to 'manufacture and sale'.
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2018, 11:50:10 AM »

You should offer another amendment then to remove possession and use from what is being banned then.
Yes, that's a fair point, I'll offer up an amendment shortly.

Thanks. As an FYI that absolves most of my concerns  and while I still dont support the measure I am significantly less hostile now.
Very well. Thank you for your contribution, and I hope my colleagues will similarly put forward their own suggestions.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2018, 10:05:42 AM »

Change of plans due to a rescheduling of an exam.
The amendment on buybacks and penalties is probably coming on Saturday (Friday your time). Sorry all about the continued delay, but school unfortunately comes first. If I'm lucky I might get it in earlier, but that's unlikely.
Also, to the Speaker, I must insist that a vote not be held until this amendment is adopted.
You can delegate that responsibility if you like. I would be able to write the proposed amendment.
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2018, 04:18:36 PM »

Mr. First Minister, I believe I can rewrite Section 4 and present an amendment on the floor shortly.
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2018, 05:56:50 PM »

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Section 3: Definitions

1. The following test shall be applied to determine whether or not a weapon is defined as an Assault Weapon
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Section 4: Buyback

1. The government of Fremont shalt henceforth establish a Fremont Assault Weapon Buyback scheme.
2. This scheme shall be cover all firearms which are covered under the definition of assault weapon agreed to in this bill.
3. The government shall pay back the full market price of the firearm to those who voluntarily hand in theirs.
4. The government of Fremont shalt henceforth enumerate an amount of $1 Billion dollars to the aforementioned buyback program.

Section 5: Penalties

1. The manufacture and sale of Assault Weapons within the Commonwealth of Fremont is hereby illegal.
2. The penalty applied to manufacturers and sellers for infringing this law shall be fixed at 150% of profits made from manufacture and or sale.
3. The possession and use of Assault Weapons within the Commonwealth of Fremont is hereby a crime, if the weapon is used in illegal or illicit activities.
4. A person may only be punished for possession of an Assault Weapon if said person has committed a crime involving firearms.
5. In such cases, the government is compelled to seize all firearms possessed by the person in question, regardless of whether they qualify as assault weapons.
Section 7: Implementation

1. This act shall be implemented immediately.
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