Atlas U.S. Presidential Elections Master Thread

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Cath, how are you dealing with Manifest Destiny or the lack thereof? Are you just rewriting history so Charles Francis Adams annexed Texas?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Cath, how are you dealing with Manifest Destiny or the lack thereof? Are you just rewriting history so Charles Francis Adams annexed Texas?

I think the answer is that Texas stayed independent until the South broke away and then it joined the Confederacy, and so when the US won the civil war they just kept it.

So we're just rewriting history so the presidents at the time acquire the new states, but in different fashions?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Cath, how are you dealing with Manifest Destiny or the lack thereof? Are you just rewriting history so Charles Francis Adams annexed Texas?

And yes, I confirm what my fellow poster said. During the Civil War, the Confederacy sought an ally in the pro-slavery Republic of Texas. In internal politics, it was only former President Sam Houston and a small minority that opposed siding with the CSA. In the ensuing Union victory, both the Confederacy and its ally Texas were annexed and put under Reconstruction. Sam Houston was at first appointed to head the state by the Federal Government, then elected its first Governor. At this time, the Republic of Texas had expanded and what the result was President Adams bringing the American South-West into the Union. In what was the major triumph of his post-Civil War Presidency, he negotiated the purchase of the states that became Oregon and Washington. In this vein, he became known as one of the nation's greatest Presidents: he saved the Union from its single greatest crisis and expanded it by the greatest amount since Thomas Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase.

Also, you say "rewriting history" like it's a bad thing. Again, this entire thing is re-writing history. As the dude running it, I need to somehow make the forum's excesses and idiosyncrasies sync up with reality once in a while. The divergent paths that the nation(s) took in regard to Manifest Destiny was something I felt I needed to eventually bring back to one, and this is how I did it.

Oh, I don't mean it as a bad thing. I'm just wondering how you're managing to work the hard-and-fast events the world has thrown at us into the Atlas Universe.

And is Daniel Day-Lewis starring in the Oscar-nominated hit, Adams?

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(also, I always found the title, "Adams" kind of confusing given the prominence of that family in American history.)

Well, would you rather have them call it Adams: The Cool One Who Won The Civil War?

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Ooh, primaries! More maps for Cathcon to slog through!

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It's OK. We don't need these primary maps. We just need several straight decades of progressive presidents.

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Thanks dawg. I appreciate the bumps.

Just trying to keep this on Page 1. Also, I note that you've sort of divided your multi-map posts into eras (Washington to Pinckney, the dominance of the Dem-Reps and the rise of the Democrats and National Republicans, the Civil War through Reconstruction, the divided government smorgasbord, the Progressive Era (including Weaver), the golden age of Socialism, and the decline of the Socialists). Now, while those don't exactly match up with the eras you previously described, they're somewhat similar. Did you do that for a reason?

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Huh. I was thinking the next post would begin in 1960, what with the collapse of the Socialists and all.

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Huh. I was thinking the next post would begin in 1960, what with the collapse of the Socialists and all.

That's considered as well. I as of yet have no "titles" for the post-1920 system, though it may become the "Socialist Era" of politics (1920-1956/60).

EDIT: Though it seems a bit strange to merely chop history into little two decade sections.

It gives me titles for the chapters of my Glorious Textbook Monopoly, which is heavily biased towards the Socialists.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Huh. I was thinking the next post would begin in 1960, what with the collapse of the Socialists and all.

That's considered as well. I as of yet have no "titles" for the post-1920 system, though it may become the "Socialist Era" of politics (1920-1956/60).

EDIT: Though it seems a bit strange to merely chop history into little two decade sections.

It gives me titles for the chapters of my Glorious Textbook Monopoly, which is heavily biased towards the Socialists.

"The Early Republic 1789-1796"
"Jeffersonian Democracy 1796-1824"
"Clay's Americanism 1824-1848"
"The Civil War, Reconstruction, and Republicans 1848-1872"
"A Government Divided 1872-1900"
"Progressive Republicanism Ascendant 1900-1920"
"The Era of Socialist Dominance 1920-1940"
"World War II and the Socialist Decline 1940-1960"
"The Modern System 1960-?"

-Atlamerican History, Jones Publishing, 1962

Oh, my corporation is named the Glorious People's Workers' Democratic People's Corporation (Approved By God Himself [here we have a picture of an R-MI avatar giving a thumbs-up]) For The Education Of Our Most Precious Resource, The Children, And The Moral Edification Thereof, Inc.

Just a tip for the future.

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I voted for Monroe in one of the early ones and Jackson in another early one, but I don't count those because looking back, I would have voted for Madison and Clay, respectively, and also those were before I started getting into this. I've voted continuously since 1840, so I'll detail my votes since then:

Birney (duh)
Birney (duh)
Birney (staying on the Liberty Train, even though Adams was there)
Adams (keeping the Union strong)
Seward (It was Reconstruction)
Lincoln (Come on. He's Lincoln)
Lincoln (See above)
Fenton (He was a Republican, and had cool hair)
Woodhull (Woo!!!!!!!)
Bristow (Republican who fought the KKK)
Weaver (He was a Greenback)
Butler (He was a Greenback)
Douglass (See Woodhull, and also he's a favorite son of Rochester)
Weaver (See previous Weaver)
Weaver (See above)
Bryan (He was a Populist, I wanted to explore Atlantis)
Debs (I was intending for TR to serve his second term in 1912)
La Follette (He was a Republican, they were more electable than the Socialists at the time)
La Follette (I saw no reason to kick him out)
La Follette in the Rep primary (see above), TR in the general (WWI was approaching, he was a Republican)
La Follette in the Rep primary (He was a good President, I wanted him to come back), Debs in the general (Wood sucked, it was my last chance to vote for Debs)
Debs (No reason to kick him out, and also SOCIALISM!!!)
Didn't vote in 1928 because I was away, would have voted for Stedman, and he would have won too (Socialism)
Thomas (Smith was a bad president, and Socialism!)
FDR (Duh)
FDR (Duh)
FDR (Duh)
Sinclair (Most electable, and a pretty cool guy all-around)
Sinclair (I saw no reason to kick him out, and see above)
Kefauver (Most electable (though he still lost to Eisenhower) and a pretty good guy)
Humphrey (He was a good Democrat, the Republicans didn't need another term)
Johnson (Unpledged electors were all racist and Smith's running mate was Barry inksing Goldwater)
Shall I do my intents for future elections?

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Alfred Ranks The Presidents So Far, in which Alfred ranks the Presidents based vaguely on ideology and kinda on party affiliation and sort of throws the early ones in there because he's not an expert on early Atlamerican history, dammit!

Teddy Roosevelt's two things count as one Presidency, and Ike isn't included.

1. Charles Francis Adams (Atlamerican Lincoln, but better 'cause he got Texas too)
2. Eugene Debs (This one was veeeeeeeeeeeery tough between him and Woodhull)
3. Victoria Woodhull (See above)
4. Franklin Roosevelt (Not as cool without the New Deal, but he still won WWII)
5. Thomas Jefferson (Cool dude)
6. Theodore Roosevelt (Badass, and also he won WWI in this thing)
7. Henry Clay (Uh...national bank? As stated above, I'm not up on my pre-Van Buren prezzies)
8. William Seward (Reconstruction)
9. George Washington (Blah blah blah father of our country blah blah blah)
10. DeWitt Clinton (See Henry Clay, and he also made the Erie Canal)
11. James Weaver (Populist!)
12. Upton Sinclair (Cool dude, and he fought the Korean War and did some other stuff too)
13. George McGovern (Cool dude, and he ended the 'Nam)
14. Dwight Eisenhower (Cool dude)
15. Robert La Follette (Like TR, but less WWI-y and badass)
16. Frederick Douglass (He's black, so he gets bumped up, but all he did was fight the KKK)

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17. Frank Church (Good times in general, but I don't think he did much that was memorable, unless I'm mistaken)
18. Abraham Lincoln (He's Lincoln, so he gets bumped up, but all he did was end Reconstruction)
19. Reuben Fenton (Like F-Doug, but not as black)
20. Daniel Webster (Meh)
21. Martin Van Buren (Meh, preceding the Civil War associates him with Buchanan and Pierce in my mind)
22. William McKinley (Meh, fought the Spanish-American war)
23. Margaret Chase Smith (Meh, fought Vietnam)

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24. Samuel Tilden (He was a Democrat in the 1870s)
25. Seymour Stedman (Didn't do much)
26. George Norris (Same as Stedman)
27. Grover Cleveland (See Tilden, and also he's idolized by internet libertarians)
28. Norman Thomas (See Stedman, but he didn't have the excuse of not having a full term)
29. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (The Buchanan of the War of 1812)
30. Al Smith (Horribly right-wing, didn't do anything about the Dust Bowl, tried to end Debs' Real Deal)

Feel free to add constructive criticism and educate me further on these men and women, so that I may better rank them.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Wasn't Norris anti-league?

Not that sure. I just assumed he did it because of the whole after WWI thing.

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Bump. I added Chase and Eisenhower to my rankings, since their terms are over, and I divided them roughly into good, meh, and bad.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

What's this "Honest Elections" thing?

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I did not get fully involved into this until the second half of the 19th Century, so I'll start there:

1876: Tilden
1880: Weaver
1884: Butler
1888: Streeter
1892: Weaver
1896: Weaver
1900: Bryan
1904: Rooselevt
1908: LaFollette
1912: LaFollette
1916: Roosevelt
1920: Debs
1924: Debs
1928: Stedman
1932: Thomas
1936: Thomas
1940: Roosevelt
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Sinclair
1952: Sinclair
1956: Kefauver

I've been quite successful so far. Let's keep it going with Kefauver!

1960: Humphrey
1964: Johnson

The past 3 elections have been cruel.

The last time we had three bad elections in a row was 1876-1880-1884 (Tilden and Cleveland). Which was, interestingly enough, also a scenario where the good party came close to winning almost all three times (except in 1876 and 1956 - seeing a pattern?), but was hindered by a third party (Republicans stopping Populists/Greenbacks/Whatever in 1880 and 1884, Unpledged Electors stopping Democrats in 1960 and 1964).

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Here's a map of where the presidents are from, shaded by how many the state produced. New York had too many presidents to use just the green shades, so I'm using red as the next level:

We have literally run out of red shades. The presidents from New York have used up two entire color gradients - no more!

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Here's a map of presidents' home states by party:

Dems:

Reps:

Socialists:

All others (Dem Reps, Nat Reps, etc.):

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Only one alliterative ticket has ever won: Weaver/Watson in 1896. Not sure about losing tickets, though.