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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
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« on: July 27, 2004, 11:06:35 PM »

I'd say the US is the best.  There are many great nations that have embraced democratic values and have done great things in their history.  Britain comes to mind.  But there is no nation that has done so much in so little time as America, or has been so successful in so little time as America.
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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2004, 12:44:26 AM »

raggage,

1. If a nation is great, there must be a set of criteria that make it so.

2. If there are such criteria, there must be one nation that fits them better than any other.

3. The nation that fits them better than any other must be the greatest.

4. If no nation is the greatest, then there must not be a set of criteria that determine greatness, and therefore, there are no great nations.

Do you believe that there are no great nations at all?
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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,270


Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: -1.23

« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2004, 03:09:43 AM »

raggage,

1. If a nation is great, there must be a set of criteria that make it so.

2. If there are such criteria, there must be one nation that fits them better than any other.

3. The nation that fits them better than any other must be the greatest.

4. If no nation is the greatest, then there must not be a set of criteria that determine greatness, and therefore, there are no great nations.

Do you believe that there are no great nations at all?

No. I do believe there are great nations and the U.S.A is among them for sure. However I don't like the use of an imperative, stating that we are the greatest, or inherently better than anyone else.

Some answers to your points

1: Agree

2: Disagree. Greatness is hugely subjective. If you asked a Russian, I guarantee they would say Russia is the greatest nation

3: Not applicable to due my answer to point two

4: Wrong. Great nations are nations that are inclusive and help lead the world by example.  

An analogy for point four, say there are two top chess players. Neither can beat the other, it ends in stalemate each time. Does this mean that they are not excellent players... No, does this mean there are no criteria to be good at chess: No.

You said you agree that there is a set of criteria that can determine greatness in #1, you say that that criteria is "Great nations are nations that are inclusive and help lead the world by example." in #4, but then you turn around and say that judging greatness is a subjective thing in #2.

Please explain the inherent contradiction in saying that X is the criteria for a great nation and that some nation's may call themselves great, but that no nation is the greatest because there are no valid criteria for determining a great nation.
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The Duke
JohnD.Ford
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,270


Political Matrix
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2004, 02:27:46 AM »

I'm pretty sure Hawai'i likes being part of America.
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