Congress has reached a deal to avoid shutdown (far right already mad)

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Do Democrats actually get anything out of this?

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They get a bit of a reduction in detentions from the ICE. Beyond that it doesn't seem to be much (unless you Count having a government and a functioning society, which isn't a priority for the Republicans it seems).

To some extent I guess they only have the House so their leverage is limited?

It still doesn't seem like enough. Democrats could totally block any funding for any wall or wall-like structures if they wanted, so to capitulate on what is essentially a presidential tantrum, possibly encouraging him to throw more shutdown tantrums in the future, all for little-to-nothing in return, seems really stupid.

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Do Democrats actually get anything out of this?

Trump wants 5.7 Billion, this deal is just 1.375 Billion - roughly the same number Democrats put forth in December. As far as the wall goes, the GOP has caved all the way to the Democrats offer back in December. I understand some on the left believe that number should be $0, but Democratic Negotiators never proposed that and that was never going to happen.

The Republican base doesn't even believe the "nonessential" non-defense parts of government should exist. That's why the Republican House Majority, even when it was "proud" to be passing 7, 8, 9 appropriations bills under regular order each year, frequently relied on Democrats to defeat amendments proposed by the likes of Rep. Gosar and Rep. Blackburn, and some final passage votes were really tight, like this one: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2015/roll329.xml . The Republican position would outright abolish parts of some departments. Part of what the Democrats are being conceded here is indeed a functioning government, with 12 full appropriations bills, something the Republican base does not believe should be the case.

Democrats also got a 17% funding reduction in terms of detention beds and additional spending at the ports of entry (where Dems believe most of the problem is).

And as one Democratic Negotiator has already said, the fact that Hannity and the like are panning it shows that it's a good deal.

I'm proud to support it.

Seems like feeding Trump's obsession with immigration security while Democrats get crumbs in return. They don't have to give him anything. At the very least, they should get funding for some of their priorities that comes close to matching what is being spent on fences and other stuff.

Otherwise it just seems like Democrats giving Trump something for throwing a massively expensive and disruptive tantrum. I wonder how long it takes before he pulls this again? And yeah, you can argue Republicans have somewhat more leverage, but consider that if House Democrats want, they can sink this entire deal and any funding indefinitely. That's a lot of leverage.

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Say what you will about Trump, but border security and illegal immigration are issues that will ultimately require a final solution. Such a final solution can only come through a more comprehensive immigration reform bill. While this deal doesn't include all that is necessary, it might be a first step towards something larger. And Democrats are not conceding too much, as this is the deal that he was offered before the shutdown, more or less.

Then it should be a separate debate that didn't come about because of the president whining and creating the longest govt shutdown in history. My position is that he should get nothing due to the way he went about this, but if Democrats are going to cave, they should at least demand equal funding for their priorities or Republicans can go get bent.

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Say what you will about Trump, but border security and illegal immigration are issues that will ultimately require a final solution.

Bad wording there, dude.

Nothing like final solutions in the context of a debate about rounding up tens of thousands of people of a certain ethnic group. Definitely no horrifying precedent for that!

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Take what you can now, and fight for more in the future. This deal does help to address a long pressing and urgent problem on the border. My preferred solution would be for a grand compromise that involves DACA amnesty paired with a massive increase in border security funding. That would throw a bone to both parties and would be a more comprehensive deal.

Don't you see? It's never going to be enough. There is no border crisis. Most undocumented immigrants get here via air and sea, not border jumping. Yet all I hear from Trump is total gaslighting about how there are massive hordes flowing across the border and the ONLY thing that will stop it is a giant wall. Are you kidding me? We're supposed to keep pouring billions into an imaginary problem just to placate a bunch of idiots and a president who is playing his base for votes? It'll never be enough. Even if the entire wall was built, Trump/other Republicans would just invent some new immigration-related crisis.