Trump will speak at 2024 con of Libertarian Party, who once called him "the opposite of libertarian"

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Aren't all the candidates libertarians nominate really weird? That's a prerequisite I thought

[Comrade Funk]

Well, Libertarians are just pot smoking Republicans, so this isn't a huge surprise. Even on foreign policy, the Republican Party has sharply drifted into the direction of isolationism, so this is aligns well.

A lot of libertarians aren't even that. They're just embarrassed to admit their Republican.

[DaleCooper]

Well, Libertarians are just pot smoking Republicans, so this isn't a huge surprise. Even on foreign policy, the Republican Party has sharply drifted into the direction of isolationism, so this is aligns well.

A lot of libertarians aren't even that. They're just embarrassed to admit their Republican.

I was about to say this. Most self-identified libertarians from the mid 2000s up through basically 2016 were just conservative Republicans who didn't want the baggage of having to admit they were associated with George W. Bush. They opposed gay rights, they supported police brutality, a lot of them didn't even really care much about marijuana. They voted for Republicans, they just didn't want an R next to their name.

[Joe Biden 2024]

Wow, are real Libertarians going to stand for this?

That implies there is such a thing as real libertarians.

[Continential]

Wow, are real Libertarians going to stand for this?

https://twitter.com/DarrylWPerry/status/1785788855444201510

[Storr]

Hopefully Trump can fit into the phonebooth the Libertarians hold their convention in.

[Vice President Christian Man]

I'm eagerly awaiting Dule's take. But you can't be a libertarian and support more government control. It's not like we've had a libertarian president in the last couple of decades, but Trump's immigration and trade policy alone screams "anti-Libertarian". It's not just about tax cuts.

[wnwnwn]

I remember the 2021 LP Facebook page being a soclib leaning page. What happened? The Mises Caucus?

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Turns out atlasia isn't the only place where people attempt to hijack political parties

[Liminal Trans Girl]

Turns out atlasia isn't the only place where people attempt to hijack political parties

Touch Grass

[Joseph Cao]

Time for a red avatar switch John Dule.

Okay, but consider: we can't lose Dule to the faceless indistinguishable masses of D-CA avatars.

[Open Source Intelligence]

I remember the 2021 LP Facebook page being a soclib leaning page. What happened? The Mises Caucus?

Mises Caucus have a paleolibertarian philosophy - Murray Rothbard, it's where Ron Paul would be, and a lot of Mises Caucus people are an outgrowth of the Ron Paul presidential campaigns and organization - which by libertarian norms is on the more conservative side of it. (There is such a thing as a libertarian left, an example would be Colorado Governor Jared Polis. This is complete anathema to Mises folks.) Nicholas Sarwark's leadership of the party, Bill Weld being vice presidential nominee in 2016, and the national party's reaction to Covid and Black Lives Matter in 2020 infuriated them. Throw in some other groups in the party that had gripes genuine or not with how the party was being run, by way of making sure they won all the delegates to go to the national convention, they orchestrated a takeover of the party at the 2022 National Convention held in Reno. They had much greater organization taking over the party than anything they've done since. Finances have fallen although Mises folks blame this on sore losers not donating, they've sued 5 state affiliates which is ironic for a group that spouts decentralization officially, McArdle has not been a good leader - I ask why if Mises were so intent on remaking the party in their image they selected her who the job is just above her, the only answer I've gotten is no one else had interest, which is not a satisfying answer but also tells you a lot about the group.

Mises in the interim have made some of their own people mad due to ineffective leadership and other things where it seems they're intentionally hollowing out the party (finances, headquarters, lack of advertising, ballot access, what they choose to spend money on). Prior to 2022 Convention I heard inside them along with the true believers in the cause were Republican operatives that were entryists and just wanted to make sure "never Trumpers" didn't have another party to go to. We're more than 2 years forward and that seems more and more to be a valid reason. I'm going to OSINT the hell out of some people and their connections and if I discover crimes, sucks to be them.

Mises coming into 2024 completely lost New Hampshire which has always had an independent of the party libertarian identity due to the Free State Project. The Justin O'Donnell quoted on the first page is one of them (and is amusing he gets quoted for truth from people antagonistic to the party, he's pretty much an absolutist). I already saw the Libertarian Party of Oregon say they should boycott, which is a self-defeating proposition when we're going to vote on a new chair and a presidential nominee. Mark Rutherford who is the Chair of the Indiana Public Defender Commission, and lost National Chair back in I think 2012 by 1 vote, is running to be new chair and has a plan for if he wins the first 100 days to immediately restore the party's finances amongst other things.

[Randy Marsh]

lol at the democrats maligning libertarians over this when they extended an invitation to Biden, Trump and RFK and only Trump accepted

[Pheurton Skeurto]

lol at the democrats maligning libertarians over this when they extended an invitation to Biden, Trump and RFK and only Trump accepted

You're not making the point you think you're making.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

lol at the democrats maligning libertarians over this when they extended an invitation to Biden, Trump and RFK and only Trump accepted

Yeah, about that

https://twitter.com/JonathanTCasey/status/1786073269424005453

[Comrade Funk]

lol at the democrats maligning libertarians over this when they extended an invitation to Biden, Trump and RFK and only Trump accepted

Most self-identified "libertarians" I've encountered were usually paleo-conservatives (and that's being nice) who were obsessed with military/police aesthetic. Anecdotal, but it's not uncommon. And the posters above me do a good job of countering your claim anyone else was ever invited.

[Open Source Intelligence]

National Party Treasurer Hagopian put forward a motion to rescind the Trump invitation. Entryist-in-Chief Adrian Malagon went to form and in the national committee's open official chat 3 minutes after the motion told him "to grow a pair". Hagopian's motion has gotten 4 co-sponsors from the party's National Committee when it needed 1, so it will be brought up and debated. Cue National Party Secretary Caryn Ann Harlos arguing something from Robert's Rules of Order that the motion is out of order and should not be considered most likely.

McArdle defended her decision of course, see here. https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2024/05/libertarian-national-committee-chair-explains-decision-to-invite-trump-to-2024-libertarian-national-convention/

[John Dule]

What a bunch of spineless turds.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

lol at the democrats maligning libertarians over this when they extended an invitation to Biden, Trump and RFK and only Trump accepted

Yeah, about that

https://twitter.com/JonathanTCasey/status/1786073269424005453

Lmao I expect nothing less

[MyLifeIsYours]

Justin Amash speaking out against Trump very un-libertarian record on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1323422275773861894

[°Leprechaun]

Wouldn't it be funny if he is sent to prison, drops out, and endorses the Libertarian candidate?

Would the Libertarian candidate promise to pardon him?

Of course, this all probably sounds foolish.

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4649237-rfk-jr-donald-trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr-libertarian-party-convention/

RFK Jr. wants to debate Trump at the convention.

[Open Source Intelligence]

Can we just change this to the Libertarian Convention thread?

The motion to rescind the Trump invites was ruled out of order, because no formal invite had been made, yet the party had entered into contracts based on it, so yeah...

I wouldn't be surprised he just never shows up.

Adrian Malagon of California who is on the LNC and National Party Secretary Caryn Ann Harlos are both making power plays on the Credentials Committee. Malagon put forward a motion to the LNC to remove the current Credentials Chair, a couple others, and make himself the Chair. It was pointed out in a meeting last night Malagon was not planning on attending the Convention (fitting) which was required to be Credentials Chair.

Harlos wrote on Facebook May 7th:

A lot of states are going to learn this year just how badly their bylaws suck. And unfortunately are going to waste people's money on false hopes they are legitimate delegates when they are not. I hope credentials deals with easy so they can get refunds.

Harlos is a person that goes to bed every night making love to Robert's Rules of Order NewlY Revised.

3 people are running for National Chair: McArdle, Mark Rutherford, and Steven Neikhaila. Mises Caucus have endorsed McArdle for a 2nd term while endorsing Neikhaila for an LNC At-Large position. They have also endorsed Harlos again for another term as Secretary. Harlos is not Mises per se, just a Radical they find useful and hates the Pragmatists as much as they do.

As far as who becomes Presidential nominee, Chase Oliver, Lars Mapstead, Jacob Hornberger, and Mike ter Maat all said they were against the Trump invite. Michael Rectenwald not mentioned. The Mises-endorsed presidential ticket is Michael Rectenwald/Clint Russell.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Makes sense that some of the Mises Caucus would internally support a Trump coup of the convention; but I don't necessarily know if that's outright the Trump camp's plan. Presidential Nomination vote allows write ins; so it makes sense to give a speech, posture as a Libertarian Republican for a few minutes, and try to win over some people who aren't excited about the Mises options of Rectenwald and Smith.

You'll probably get a few delegates who write in RFK as well, who just aren't happy with any of the conventional or Mises-leaning options, it is a fairly weak crowd this year and the primary results so far don't really indicate a favorite.

Gut feeling says the ticket is Chase Oliver and Mapstead, with a good portion of the Mises Caucus throwing a fit and outright endorsing Trump; leaving the party in a mess and Oliver/Mapstead to perform horribly in November. LP loses ballot access in a bunch of states, and third parties become weaker than ever heading in to '28.

[The Mikado]

Wow, are real Libertarians going to stand for this?

https://twitter.com/DarrylWPerry/status/1785788855444201510

Not the best poster we ever had here, but far from the worst, too. It'd be interesting if he came back here.