Voter ID cut the electorate in Wisconsin

[TheSaint250]

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

[TheSaint250]

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

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because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

[TheSaint250]

Good write up explaining everything that is wrong with this study.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451968/wisconsin-voter-id-study-flawed-unreliable

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This is a pretty great write-up. Happy that this was addressed.

[TheSaint250]

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

...

because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

The only one of those that's really available to everyone is the "non-driver ID" (passports cost money and people who don't travel abroad don't bother). And non-driver IDs are still a hassle to get. Also I went to a major state university and my ID from there would not pass muster according to this test. I don't know if schools in Wisconsin are different, but there are students from Wisconsin who attend out of state schools.

Also you realize that the people supporting these laws have admitted that they're doing it for partisan reasons. Why are you defending people who have actively refuted your defenses of them?

Those people are idiots.

[TheSaint250]

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

...

because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

The only one of those that's really available to everyone is the "non-driver ID" (passports cost money and people who don't travel abroad don't bother). And non-driver IDs are still a hassle to get. Also I went to a major state university and my ID from there would not pass muster according to this test. I don't know if schools in Wisconsin are different, but there are students from Wisconsin who attend out of state schools.

Also you realize that the people supporting these laws have admitted that they're doing it for partisan reasons. Why are you defending people who have actively refuted your defenses of them?

Those people are idiots.

Yes, it's an example of throwing out the baby and the bathwater. I still get annoyed anytime a smug Dem hack claims tax cuts are racist because muh Lee Atwater said they were before I was even born. People can have different motivations for supporting the same policy. Hell, Jimmy Carter recommended voter IDs in mid 00's.

Exactly

[TheSaint250]

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

...

because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

The only one of those that's really available to everyone is the "non-driver ID" (passports cost money and people who don't travel abroad don't bother). And non-driver IDs are still a hassle to get. Also I went to a major state university and my ID from there would not pass muster according to this test. I don't know if schools in Wisconsin are different, but there are students from Wisconsin who attend out of state schools.

Also you realize that the people supporting these laws have admitted that they're doing it for partisan reasons. Why are you defending people who have actively refuted your defenses of them?

Those people are idiots.

No, they're just more honest than you.

Whatever you say.

[TheSaint250]

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

...

because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

The only one of those that's really available to everyone is the "non-driver ID" (passports cost money and people who don't travel abroad don't bother). And non-driver IDs are still a hassle to get. Also I went to a major state university and my ID from there would not pass muster according to this test. I don't know if schools in Wisconsin are different, but there are students from Wisconsin who attend out of state schools.

Also you realize that the people supporting these laws have admitted that they're doing it for partisan reasons. Why are you defending people who have actively refuted your defenses of them?

Those people are idiots.

No, they're just more honest than you.

Whatever you say.

OK. What exactly is the benefit of having voter ID laws without providing free, easy, mandatory IDs to everyone?

I would prefer free, easy, mandatory IDs. It limits confusion. I just don’t think Wisconsin’s is an attack of any sort.

[TheSaint250]

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

...

because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

The only one of those that's really available to everyone is the "non-driver ID" (passports cost money and people who don't travel abroad don't bother). And non-driver IDs are still a hassle to get. Also I went to a major state university and my ID from there would not pass muster according to this test. I don't know if schools in Wisconsin are different, but there are students from Wisconsin who attend out of state schools.

Also you realize that the people supporting these laws have admitted that they're doing it for partisan reasons. Why are you defending people who have actively refuted your defenses of them?

Those people are idiots.

No, they're just more honest than you.

Whatever you say.

OK. What exactly is the benefit of having voter ID laws without providing free, easy, mandatory IDs to everyone?

I would prefer free, easy, mandatory IDs. It limits confusion. I just don’t think Wisconsin’s is an attack of any sort.

You didn't answer my question.

It’s a step in the right direction to limiting voter fraud. Im not gonna pretend like I understand the schematics behind why there is an extremely small price for things like non-driver license ID, but it certainly isn’t to limit voter access. As I said, though, free mandatory ID would be better.

[TheSaint250]

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

...

because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

The only one of those that's really available to everyone is the "non-driver ID" (passports cost money and people who don't travel abroad don't bother). And non-driver IDs are still a hassle to get. Also I went to a major state university and my ID from there would not pass muster according to this test. I don't know if schools in Wisconsin are different, but there are students from Wisconsin who attend out of state schools.

Also you realize that the people supporting these laws have admitted that they're doing it for partisan reasons. Why are you defending people who have actively refuted your defenses of them?

Those people are idiots.

No, they're just more honest than you.

Whatever you say.

OK. What exactly is the benefit of having voter ID laws without providing free, easy, mandatory IDs to everyone?

I would prefer free, easy, mandatory IDs. It limits confusion. I just don’t think Wisconsin’s is an attack of any sort.

You didn't answer my question.

It’s a step in the right direction to limiting voter fraud. Im not gonna pretend like I understand the schematics behind why there is an extremely small price for things like non-driver license ID, but it certainly isn’t to limit voter access. As I said, though, free mandatory ID would be better.

A small price is still enough to discourage the poor from voting, esp. when getting the ID is such a hassle.

But again, I still fail to see how it "discourages" minorities from voting.