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« Reply #75 on: September 26, 2017, 08:23:37 PM »

One of my earlier posts on how the Japan Lower House PR section works.  It is now 176 PR seats

北海道 (Hokkaido)                               8
東北(Tohoku)                                     13
北関東 (Kitakanto or North Kanto)       19
南関東 (Minamikanto or South Kanto)  22
東京 (Tokyo)                                     17
北陸信越 (Hokurikushinetsu)               11
東海 (Tokai)                                      21
近畿 (Kinki)                                      28
中国(Chugoku)                                  11
四国 (Shikoku)                                    6
九州 (Kyūshū)                                   20


I like to write up how the Japan PR system works which I think is quite unique in the world. 

Japan has 180 PR seats which are split over 11 regions  (namely 北海道 (Hokkaido), 東北(Tohoku). 北関東 (Kitakanto or North Kanto), 南関東 (Minamikanto or South Kanto), 東京 (Tokyo), 北陸信越 (Hokurikushinetsu), 東海 (Tokai), 近畿 (Kinki), 中国(Chugoku), 四国 (Shikoku), and 九州 (Kyūshū))

Other than Tokyo each one of these regions has several prefectures which in turn has several FPTP districts.  Each voter gets to vote for a party on a PR list which gets aggregated at the regional level.  Then it gets allocated on PR basis.  Given the fact that the number of seats each region is different the cutoff to get seats might vary by region.

One feature of the Japanese election system is that a candidate ran run on BOTH in a FPTP seat AND on the PR list.   The idea is if such a candidate loses his or her FPTP seat he or she can still get elected on the PR list as long as the ranking they hold is high enough relative to the votes his or her party got in that region.  In fact the way this works can be fairly complicated as the party list for PR can have ties in it if the candidates involved are running also in a FPTP seats. 

The traditional PR list would be the following

Party X list
1. Candidate 1
2. Candidate 2
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Y. Candidate Y

And if Party X gets N amount of the vote then we go down the list and everyone above what N% would qualify would be elected. 

The Japanese PR list allows for the following

Party X
1. Candidate 1 - pure PR list candidate
2. Candidate 2 - pure PR list candidate
3. Candidate 3 - also running in FPTP district a
3. Candidate 4 - also running in FPTP district b
3. Candidate 5 - also running in FPTP district c
4. Candidate 6 - pure PR list candidate
5. Candidate 7 - pure PR list candidate

So what happens is candidates 3 4 5 have equal ranking on the list.  If any of them win their FPTP seat then they are elected and taken out of the PR list.  If more than one of 3 4 or 5 lose their FPTP seat then their relative ranking are determined by their vote share they receive as a percentage of the winning candidate vote share.  What this system does is to encourage a candidate to be willing to run for Party X in a district where party X is weak and have low chance of winning.  The candidate can still win a seat as long as he and she is high up enough on the list and does well enough in the election with their vote share to put them higher up in the order to other losers in the same tier of the PR list.

Reminds me quite a lot of Germany's electoral system tbh, except I guess this one is not proportional
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« Reply #76 on: September 26, 2017, 09:49:24 PM »

Some initial thoughts from me how the PR vote share will shake out in absence of post-Koike polls. 

First we have the 2014 vote share by PR section


Which produces this in terms of 180 PR seats by PR section


Now in 2017 there will by 176 seats so if we recalculate 2014 results based on 176 seats we get




We then had the 2016 Upper House election.  JIP had ORA split off and merged into DPJ to form DP. PFG renamed itself PJK. VPA ran as a center-left party, NPR which is a right-libertarian LDP splinter ran again, while NPB ran as a no-of-above protest party. 


If we calculated 176 PR seats based on the 2016 PR votes we get



Now on to 2017.  ORA became JRP again.   VPA and NPR mostly disappeared.  PJK looks like to be gone as well.  PLP renamed themselves as LP. Hokkaido LDP splinter NPD which backed DPJ in 2014 will now run mostly as a de facto LDP ally.  Of course we have Koike's HP.   I make assumptions that HP will gain a lot at the expense of DP in the Tokyo suburbs while gaining from both LDP and DP in Tokyo.  DP's vote will hold up more in its traditional strongholds in Northern Japan while LDP will lose less votes to HP in the LDP strongholds in Southern Japan. JRP will drop across the board but will mostly retain its Osaka base.


Which gives us the following seat distribution


One way to push up the seat count of anti-LDP parties is if SDP and LP merge into DP.  SDP and LP vote shares in most PR sections fall below the threshold to get seats and become wasted votes.

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« Reply #77 on: September 27, 2017, 04:38:53 AM »

Koike kicks off HP

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« Reply #78 on: September 27, 2017, 04:46:11 AM »

New Mainichi poll with shocking results

Abe approval/disapproval  36/42

Prefer ruling party gain seats/opposition party gain seats 34/49

PR vote

LDP    29
KP       5
JRP      3
HP     18
DP      8
LP       1
SDP    0
JCP     5

Back in 2014 Mainichi polls had

LDP    38
KP       6
DPJ    12
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« Reply #79 on: September 27, 2017, 05:33:22 AM »

DP Head Maehara May Allow Candidates to Stand Under Koike: NHK
Wednesday, September 27, 2017 06:21 AM
By Chris Cooper

(Bloomberg) --
Democratic Party leader Seiji Maehara intends to allow his party’s candidates to join Yuriko Koike’s Party of Hope if they want to, public broadcaster NHK reported

The two Japanese political parties will likely need to discuss the matter among themselves, as Maehara faces opposition internally and Koike has expressed doubts on the plan, broadcaster NHK said, without saying where it got the information
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« Reply #80 on: September 27, 2017, 05:56:28 AM »

Tokyo poll before Koike announced that she will lead HP



LDP     39
HP      28
JCP     14
DP        9
KP        6

Most likely have moved in HP's direction from LDP since
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« Reply #81 on: September 27, 2017, 06:02:04 AM »
« Edited: September 27, 2017, 06:43:52 AM by jaichind »

Party positions




             North Korea         Hawkish             Increase            Nuclear
                                   Constitutional       Consumption         Power(my addition)
                                      Change                  Tax                    
LDP          Pressure               Yes                    Yes                   Yes
DP            Dialogue               No                    Yes                    No
KP            Pressure               No                    Yes                    Yes
JCP           Dialogue               No                    No                     No
JRP           Pressure              Yes                    No                     No
HP            Pressure              Yes                    No                     No

JCP is the true anti-LDP party.   JRP and HP have the same positions but any conflict between the two are all about the egos of Koike and Hashimoto.   By being for consumption tax increase LDP KP and DP are "establishment parties."  LDP JRP HP are Hawk parties while DP and JCP are dove parties.  KP is in theory dove but that is more about its pro-PRC position.  When it comes to DPRK KP is a hawk as well.
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« Reply #82 on: September 27, 2017, 06:13:32 AM »

Wow. This is turning into an exciting election whereas I thought a week ago it was going to be the same boring LDP-KP landslide.  While LDP-KP landslide is very possible if HP can form tactical alliance with DP and JRP without a massive defection from the DP left then there is a chance that Abe may win the Theresa May award.

As for HP it seems Koike will re-run her Tokyo Prefecture Marcron like election strategy with a bunch of defectors and political neophytes with a focus on women candidates.  Unlike Tokyo Prefecture elections it seems there have not been a large number of LDP defectors plus not having KP on her side.  So there will be no LDP meltdown unlike Tokyo Prefecture.  LDP-KP most likely will fall from mid to high 40s to low 40s but that is about it.  HP has to try to cobble an alliance of voting blocs that can match that and will most likely come up short.
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« Reply #83 on: September 27, 2017, 06:37:15 AM »

DP President 前原誠司 (Maehara Seiji) seems to be willing to run for his seat as an independent as have HP agree to back him in his district.  This is the first time I heard of a leader of a party not actually running with his/her party label.   If this is what it comes to then I think we are close to DP ceasing to exist and splitting with the 前原誠司 (Maehara Seiji) DP Right merging with HP and DP Left creating a new party allied with   JCP.  Key problem for the DP left is that 前原誠司 (Maehara Seiji) has the party seal and all the party cash.   So a DP Left party will be without resources to fight any real election.
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« Reply #84 on: September 27, 2017, 06:42:59 AM »

Well, if DP does split, that was an incredibly short period of existence.
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« Reply #85 on: September 27, 2017, 06:50:37 AM »

DP should blame ex-Tokyo governor 舛添 要一(Masuzoe Yōichi) for all this.  If it was not for his scandals back in 2016 that led him to resign, Koike would never have ran for governor of Tokyo, capturing the anti-LDP vote from DP in Tokyo along the way.  There would not have been the DP Tokyo Prefecture election debacle and DP would be the main gainers from various Abe scandals.  There is no way DP could have beaten LDP in a 2017 or 2018 Lower House elections but they would be the main alternative to LDP and would have been able to build on their credible 2016 Upper House election.
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« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2017, 07:13:35 AM »
« Edited: September 27, 2017, 07:16:17 AM by jaichind »

DP 前原誠司 (Maehara Seiji)announces that DP will not become a party after this upcoming election and that exiting members will run as independents in alliances with other parties.  So I was right, this is pretty much the 前原誠司 (Maehara Seiji) Conservative faction of the DP taking the DP money and going over to HP leaving the DP Left with nothing.

This seems to be a mistake.  A HP-DP alliance is a much better option.   A enlarged HP with the DP money but not the cadres in DP strongholds in Northern Japan and places like 三重(Mie) and 愛知   (Aichi) is handing a large number of seats to LDP.
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« Reply #87 on: September 27, 2017, 11:31:12 AM »

Asahi poll (obviously before the dramatic events tonight)

District
LDP  31%
DP     9%
HP     6%
JCP    4%
KP     3%
JRP    2%
SDP   1%
LP      0%

PR
LDP 32%
HP   13%
DP     8%
KP     6%
JCP    5%
JRP    3%
SDP   2%
LP     1%

Back in 2014 Asahi poll for PR was

LDP  37%
DPJ  13%
JIP     9%
JCP    6%
NKP   4%
SDP   1%
PLP    0%
PFG   0%


This is why it is unwise to just dissolve DP and merge into HP.  Many people will vote HP as the brand of Koike but at the district level HP has no real quality candidates with a cadre force to work for it for GOTV.
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« Reply #88 on: September 27, 2017, 11:33:42 AM »

Koike denies wanting a merger or alliance with DP.  So 前原誠司 (Maehara Seiji) might have destroyed his party for nothing.  Of course the leadership group of DP will make a make a final decision on Maehara's proposal.  But the damage is done.  Even if DP lives on various DP voters have no reason to vote for a party that the leader does not thing even needs to exist.  Their votes will scatter between HP LDP and JCP.   If enough of these votes go LDP we can see the greatest landslide in Japanese election history. 
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« Reply #89 on: September 27, 2017, 11:41:43 AM »
« Edited: September 27, 2017, 11:43:22 AM by Çråbçæk »

Could the DP Left join up with the moribund SDP? And I assume the unions will leave the DP with the Left, right?

Also lmao at Ozawa coming in to join Koike. Of course he's mates with Koike, of course.

And the DP and its predecessors may have had useless heads, but I struggle to think of one dumber than Seiji.
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« Reply #90 on: September 27, 2017, 11:46:43 AM »

Could you explain to someone who hasn't been paying attention to this how things seem to be turning out?  Is Abe's gamble looking like it'll pay off or will it blow up in his face?
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« Reply #91 on: September 27, 2017, 12:04:06 PM »

Could you explain to someone who hasn't been paying attention to this how things seem to be turning out?  Is Abe's gamble looking like it'll pay off or will it blow up in his face?

What is funny is both are possible.  Really depends on what happens the DP vote.  If they swing behind HP then this election would have blown up in Abe's face and he will lose his 2/3 majority.  LDP-KP losing their majority is not a realistic possibility.  Or if the DP vote now scatters then LDP/Abe will walk their way to a massive landslide.
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« Reply #92 on: September 27, 2017, 12:06:46 PM »

Could the DP Left join up with the moribund SDP? And I assume the unions will leave the DP with the Left, right?

Also lmao at Ozawa coming in to join Koike. Of course he's mates with Koike, of course.

And the DP and its predecessors may have had useless heads, but I struggle to think of one dumber than Seiji.

In theory DP Left will create a new party (without money or resources) and have an alliance with SDP and JCP.  Problem is Rengo  which is the confederation of Unions refuses to work with JCP so they can even go and back HP before backing JCP.

This is why LDP always wins.  Rengo refuses to work with JCP, KP refuses to work with JCP, DP Right refuses to work with JCP, DP Left refuses to work with Third Pole non-LDP Right wing parties.  Net result is LDP-KP just wins by default.
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« Reply #93 on: September 27, 2017, 12:09:17 PM »

Japan must have the worst politics for any democracy, right alongside Turkey.
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« Reply #94 on: September 27, 2017, 12:39:12 PM »

Why do all these people refuse to work the the JCP? It seems like one of the most moderate Communist parties in the world.
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« Reply #95 on: September 27, 2017, 01:43:31 PM »

Do the communists have their own union that has bad blood with Rengo or something?

If I was part of the Communists, I would advocate a reinvention and rename, but I suppose the cadre are happy in their perpetual cult status.
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« Reply #96 on: September 27, 2017, 05:41:47 PM »

I would go further than just calling it unwise, I'd call it f**king moronic.
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« Reply #97 on: September 27, 2017, 07:12:12 PM »
« Edited: September 27, 2017, 07:14:24 PM by jaichind »

Since calling the election Abe approval heading downward slightly


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« Reply #98 on: September 27, 2017, 07:13:47 PM »

Why do all these people refuse to work the the JCP? It seems like one of the most moderate Communist parties in the world.

Because Rengo, DP Right and to some extent KP all are living in the 1970s where willing the industrial working and lower-middle class was the goal and JCP was getting in the way.
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« Reply #99 on: September 27, 2017, 07:33:34 PM »

The reason 前原誠司 (Maehara Seiji) is doing what he is doing is because of a decades old DPJ/DP Right faction prophesy that deliverance will come in the form of a split in the LDP where a rebel LDP faction will unite with the DPJ/DP Right in a political realignment and defeat LDP once and for all while discarding Center-Left elements of DPJ/DP.  Then paradise will come with this united Center-Right LDP clone party taking the place of the LDP as the natural party of governance.  When YP and JRP were formed in 2009 and 2012 some in the DPJ/DP Right believed that those parties was the rebel LDP party promised by the prophesy and joined those parties.   But both turned out to false prophets.  It seems Maehara believes Koike's HP is that one true LDP rebel party that will bring balance to the political world and finally displace LDP and create a new LDP clone ruling party in its place.
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