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publicunofficial
angryGreatness
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« on: October 19, 2017, 12:35:47 AM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

They will do exactly that - and they will continue to lose elections.
Well they can't adopt Bernie plan either. Socialism and even left wing populism can not work in American politics because Republicans will use it as a racial wedge issue. Democrats do not want debate whether football players should get free tuition or illegal immigrants get free health care in 2018 or 2020.

Because they're cowards.
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publicunofficial
angryGreatness
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2017, 12:47:28 AM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

They will do exactly that - and they will continue to lose elections.
Well they can't adopt Bernie plan either. Socialism and even left wing populism can not work in American politics because Republicans will use it as a racial wedge issue. Democrats do not want debate whether football players should get free tuition or illegal immigrants get free health care in 2018 or 2020.

Because they're cowards.

No, because these are the kind of incendiary divisive topics that split the electoral just the way Trump likes, which is why he always harps on this stuff. It pits the majority of the electorate against the "other." A better way is to craft a broad appeal to the personal self-interests of the vast majority of the electorate, like Corbyn's "For the Many" slogan, which is a message well-suited for left wing populism, anyway.

I'd argue Corbyn's success has more to do with his convictions and the strength with which he defends them, not his slogan.
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publicunofficial
angryGreatness
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2017, 09:37:29 AM »

Good. Purge the Party of those who cannot accept reality and want to lose in a landslide like McGovern 1972 did or Mondale 1984 did: both by going too far left.

Centrists like Bill Clinton and Obama win. Far lefties like Sanders, McGovern, and Mondale lose.

Except for that one guy who was the closest America ever came to electing a socialist, who America loved so much they elected him 4 times.
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publicunofficial
angryGreatness
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2017, 04:59:16 PM »

Except for that one guy who was the closest America ever came to electing a socialist, who America loved so much they elected him 4 times.

Well he threw tens of thousands of Japanese civilians into camps so I guess he was the kind socialist that you’d admire.

Good post, Tim.
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publicunofficial
angryGreatness
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2017, 11:45:55 PM »

Why are they doing this?  This is so goddamn petty and shortsighted....

Does Perez realize that by conducting this Red Wedding of all the Sanders and Ellison supporters, he is not so much stabbing the knife into their backs, but into Democratic hopes of winning the 2020 election, and ending the Trump nightmare?  You can't win without their (enthusiastic) support.  

They want to win with a platform friendly to corporate interests, or not at all.
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publicunofficial
angryGreatness
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2017, 01:25:41 PM »

Kicking James Zogby off a comittee will not stop the coming  next generation of Democrats who will make Bernie look like Joe Lieberman.

Mark my words, "eat the rich" will be a serious proposal by 2030.
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