Pacific Legislature Official Thread

[RI]

That wasn't at all meant as a slight, fuzzy. It was difficult for me to order my vote. I am the most conservative member of the UDL, and Jbrase and I have teamed up on a few things lately, which is why I put him second.

[RI]

Does it really matter what it is called?

[RI]

Does it really matter what it is called?

Why should the Pacific be labeling certain acts sins? We are a secular government.

It's pretty commonly accepted that that is the name for this type of tax. You can call it a sumptuary tax or a Pignovian tax or just a sales tax if you want; it doesn't change what it is.

[RI]

Random question : can the councilors vote there too ? Since the assembly is made of every citizen, it also comprises them.

No, we can't. Everyone only gets up to one vote on a bill, either in the Council or the Assembly.

[RI]

banning partial-birth abortion?  I'm sorry, you may as well ban flag burning while you're at it.

Unlike flag burning, partial-birth abortion is an extremely violent, disgusting, and destructive procedure that involved literally decapitating a child as it is being born and vacuuming out the remains. Not only that, but it is specifically protected by Pacific Statute in section four of the Public Funding of Abortion Act.

[RI]

Unlike flag burning, partial-birth abortion is an extremely violent, disgusting, and destructive procedure that involved literally decapitating a child as it is being born and vacuuming out the remains.

Intact D&X is not performed as the child is being born, but rather involves inducing labor following the death of the fetus.  The alternative that late into the pregnancy is usually destroying the fetus in utero and then removing the parts individually, which can be riskier depending on the exact circumstances of the pregnancy.

Any conversation we are going to have about any kind of abortion performed in the late second and third trimesters will involve 'violent' and 'disgusting' connotations, and I am convinced that legislation of this nature is an overreaction to a procedure that is uncommon and generally only used when medically necessary.  You've left in a provision allowing this procedure if the continuation of the pregnancy constitutes a 'grave' threat to the life of the mother (hardly a parameter with any leeway), and I would be more comfortable with doctors being able to determine that they will not be dealing with serious legal problems for performing one type of abortion over another when the outcome is identical.

Being born was probably a bad way of putting it, but I suppose that's irrelevant. There is some variation on the methods used, however.

Obviously, not much will change on this issue.

[RI]

Nay!

Wait, I'm an elected official and I can't vote here.  How can you?  Are only local officials not allowed to vote? 

I think it's because we're Council members and we've already had a vote on the legislation, whereas Bgwah hasn't had any say yet.

[RI]

I suspect my anti-fracking bill, at least, would get through the legislature if it gets through the Council.

Furthermore, I don't think your one vote would be enough, Fuzzy.

[RI]

Yay! One of my bills finally passed.

[RI]

If I can vote on these, my votes are aye. If not, oh well.

[RI]

Voting has closed, and both the Pacific Council Reform Act and the Pacific Justice Fixed Term Act have passed, 5-1-0. They await the Governor's action.

[RI]

Voting for the April General Election opens at 9:00 PDT tonight, fyi.

Would anyone mind terribly if I tried to make a log of all pacific law, and then see if there's any way we can streamline it?

I doubt anyone would mind.

[RI]

By a count of 6-1, ArchangelZero is reelected Pacific Governor, and, by a count of 5-2, realisticidealist is reelected Pacific Lt. Governor.