Northeast Assembly Thread

[Cincinnatus]

Mr. Speaker, you did not say whether my amendment was friendly or unfriendly.  Is it friendly?

Forgive me.  I meant to address you when I mistakenly addressed Nathan. 

[Cincinnatus]

Amendments;

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Status; Origination.  Incorporated

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Status; Friendly.  Incorporated

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Status;  Origination.  Incorporated

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Status;  Origination.  Withdrawn

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Status;  Friendly.  Incorporated

[Cincinnatus]

Debate has ended.  This proposal will now come to a final vote.  A super majority is required to pass this constitution in the Assembly.  Voting will last 24 hours;

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[Cincinnatus]

Aye

[Cincinnatus]

Somehow I'm disappointed, yet not in the least bit surprised.  We had the votes to really do something here, and blew it.  Perhaps I should resign as Speaker if that would mean some progress?  In any case, I hope those who failed to vote have a decent excuse.  Otherwise, I hope there's enough challengers to vote you out in the next election.  I don't expect the vote to be missed if I introduce it again, with the amendments incorporated..

Oh, and since I can't technically close voting before 24 hours, I won't be able to until I come home tonight.  I'm sure that's not a problem, as voting/debating isn't really this bodies forte.

[Cincinnatus]

Voting has ended.  The constitution has failed to attain a supermajority, and thus fails.

Debate will now begin on The Northeast Loan Administration Act, introduced by the Gentleman from CT.  Debate will last 48 hours.

The Northeast Loan Administration Act

A BILL that will establish a loan-guarantee program for encouraging lending by backers (bank and non-bank lending institutions) and promoting job creation

1. This program may be referred to as 'The Northeast Loan Administration' or 'NLA'

2. The Northeast government will save $15 billion dollars and deposit it into a loan-guarantee program

3. The program will guarantee Northeast banks 75% of the loans that are issued to people, schools, student loans, businesses, hospitals, colleges, mortgages, and other entities

4. Loans must be $5 million or less to be eligible

5. Money will be guaranteed to all legal and valid loans from banks and non-bank lending institutions

6. Each loan will be checked to ensure its legality and approved by the NLA administrators before money is guaranteed

[Cincinnatus]

I won't be voting in favor of backing up loans with the public's money.  Using tax revenue in such a way is not a practice I agree, nor encourage.  What do we define as a non-bank lending institution in the Northeast by the way? 

Other entities and people is fairly broad IMO.  Guarantee 75% of loans?  Do I really want to encourage a practice that has proven to be catastrophic?  Do I want to tell banks "Hey.  Go ahead and give these loans that may or may not be smart in practice, because we'll guarantee them anyway."  Sure, you have a section that implies we will provide "oversight", but how well has such an intention worked in real life? 

I appreciate the Gentleman's want to introduce legislation.  However, I find myself unable to vote in favor, or offer an amendment that will allow me to vote in favor.  I plan to vote Nay on this bill.

[Cincinnatus]

I'd rather not go through a middle-man at all in that case.  Government spending doesn't need to go through an intermediary like a bank.  Government spending on things like schools, government buildings, universities, ect, can be directly given.  I would consider these types of issues as a matter of great debate in January, when the Governor has to propose a new budget for the year.  

Of course, if you want to talk about subsidies, that is another matter.  This bill doesn't seem to be intended, nor a framework for granting such.  This is why I won't support a bill that eliminates a banks risk in such a way.  It doesn't exactly encourage sound investments.

Beyond what you just mentioned, I think my bigger concern as far as public money, is what we can do about two things.  Those two factors being; Infrastructure, and the economy (small businesses and manufacturers, who employ the majority of our workforce).

Edit:  If you want to see some scary numbers, here.

[Cincinnatus]

The bill is withdrawn. 

The Assembly will now consider the bill proposed by the Gentleman from NY.  Debate will last 48 hours.  We will simultaneously nominate two Northeast citizens to the Northeast Wiki Reform Commission.

The Food Donation Protection Act

A bill to encourage food donations within the region.

The Northeast recognizes that supermarkets and restaraunts throw out millions of dollars of produce, grocery items, and food each year.  Many of these places of operation would gladly donate these items if not for the fear of litigation.


1.  A record of food donations shall be made by places of operation that provide food for the needy.  A receipt shall be issued to the donator for their records.

2.  These places of operation shall maintain responsibility for ensuring they comply with all regulations set by relevant Government agencies (Health Dept, FDA, ect).

3.  Those who willingly receive and/or consume the donated goods, shall not be able to obtain damages, unless malicious intent can be proven.

4.  Receipts issued under Section 1, may be used for tax purposes, if permitted by Northeast law.

[Cincinnatus]

I actually just made this bill as soon as Scott announced he was withdrawing, so any amendments that may make it more effective would be considered friendly.  Basically, I personally know several restaurant owners, and I've heard several times that they worry about donating, because possible litigation could ruin them.

Now, I'm not sure I'm entirely happy with this draft, so I would be happy to hear any concerns, as well as a lengthy debate.  To much to ask?  I hope not

[Cincinnatus]

Attention:

The following members of this Assembly are in danger of being expelled if they miss another consecutive vote;

Fallenmorgan
Snowstalker

[Cincinnatus]

You are correct that we should ensure risk of fraud is mitigated.  However, the section pertaining to that makes it reliant on the tax system, or further legislation regarding tax incentives for this bill.    Of course, if anyone has an amendment to offer that could in fact improve this bill, I encourage them to do so.

[Cincinnatus]

I'd like to introduce an amendment to change the word "shall" in the first clause to "may."

I have no problem with this.

Status:  Friendly;  Incorporated.

[Cincinnatus]

I'm going to nominate Napoleon by the way

[Cincinnatus]

Debate and nominations (Wiki Reform Commission) are going to end tomorrow afternoon.  Are we happy with this bills current form?

[Cincinnatus]

We only have one nomination by the way.  If anyone else is interested nominate themselves for all I care

[Cincinnatus]

Debate has ended.  We will now vote on the final bill.  Voting will last 24 hours.  The only member nominated for the Wiki Commission was Napoleon.  We will vote to approve his nomination simultaneously.  Napoleon is also required to accept his nomination, which he can do during this period.

The Food Donation Protection Act

A bill to encourage food donations within the region.

The Northeast recognizes that supermarkets and restaurants throw out millions of dollars of produce, grocery items, and food each year.  Many of these places of operation would gladly donate these items if not for the fear of litigation.


1.  A record of food donations may be made by places of operation that provide food for the needy.  A receipt may be issued to the donator for their records.

2.  These places of operation shall maintain responsibility for ensuring they comply with all regulations set by relevant Government agencies (Health Dept, FDA, ect).

3.  Those who willingly receive and/or consume the donated goods, shall not be able to obtain damages, unless malicious intent can be proven.

4.  Receipts issued under Section 1, may be used for tax purposes, if permitted by Northeast law.

[Cincinnatus]

Aye on the bill
Aye on Napoleon

[Cincinnatus]

All representatives have voted, this bill passes unanimously.  Napoleon is also confirmed. 

The Assembly will now debate the Castle Law, proposed by the Representative from CT.  Debate will last 48 hours.

Castle Law

A BILL that enforces the Castle Doctrine, to protect owners of homes, businesses, vehicles, or pets, who use deadly or non-deadly force against intruders, from prosecution.

1. An intruder(s) must have made an attempt to unlawfully enter a person's home, business, or vehicle without the consent of the owner

2. The owner of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder(s) had intended to commit a crime (murder, rape, robbery, or arson).

3. The owner may apply force if his or her pet is being harmed by intruder(s)

4. The intruder(s) must have acted illegally; i.e. the owner does not have the right to attack a police officer acting in the course of their legal duties.

5. The owner is not required to retreat from their home before using deadly or non-deadly force.

[Cincinnatus]

Is this meant to replace the Self Defense Act?

[Cincinnatus]

It definitely expands on it, yes.  I would just amend either this act, or the Self Defense Act in a way that prevents the two from conflicting.  Just thought I'd bring this to your attention  

[Cincinnatus]

Good.  This is fine as a separate bill then.

[Cincinnatus]

Does the sponsor consider the amendment friendly or unfriendly?

[Cincinnatus]

This amendment seems fine to me.  I can certainly support this bill, and it provides good text that previous laws lacked.  I will be voting Aye on the final bill.  Northeast citizens should have the right to protect themselves, in a reasonable capacity.