The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread

[The Other Castro]

Kasich went on the Politico podcast "Off Message", and we got the following:



https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/859523596502302720

[Mr. Morden]

Kasich went on the Politico podcast "Off Message", and we got the following:



https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/859523596502302720

I would be curious to know if there are any other sitting Republican governors who would say "we'll see" if you asked them if they'd rule out a 2020 presidential run.  It's quite possible that Kasich is the only one who would not rule it out, since it's of course rather unusual to open the door to primarying a president from your own party.  But nobody is going to ask most of those people, so we'll never know.

For that matter, I'd be curious to see how Republican members of Congress would respond.  What would Amash say if asked if he's open to running in 2020, for example?  Last year he sounded open to running for president at some point, but that was before we knew that 2020 would have an incumbent Republican president.

[RogueBeaver]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

[Mr. Morden]

Here’s a new non-denial from Biden:

http://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2017/05/02/joe-biden-in-san-diego-im-doing-nothing-to-run/

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And here’s Warren offering a not-Shermanesque denial:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/3/elizabeth-warren-dismisses-2020-run-says-dems-need/

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[The Other Castro]

Info on Klobuchar's fundraiser in Iowa on Sunday:

[MAINEiac4434]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

[Mr. Morden]

Info on Klobuchar's fundraiser in Iowa on Sunday:

To clarify, she's doing two different events in Iowa on Sunday.  There's the one in the afternoon that that's advertising, and then she's also speaking at the Polk County Dem. fundraising dinner that evening.

Btw, "Will Amy Klobuchar run for president in 2020?" is only at 22 cents on PredictIt right now, and there's a decent chance that that'll rise a fair bit next week once people realize that she's going to Iowa.  OTOH, it's also possible that she makes a Gillibrand-esque statement that creates new doubts about her running.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

I'll never forget the "we trusted you" chants.

[Mr. Morden]

Jay Inslee was asked in this podcast if he’s thinking about running for prez in 2020, and he gives a denial that falls short of being Shermanesque (it’s at about the 8 minute mark):

https://soundcloud.com/seattletimesovercast/ep-24-gov-inslee-on-resisting-trump-his-own-political-future-and-taxes-for-schools

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Meanwhile, Politico has this lengthy story on Warren’s national maneuvering, and makes mention of the fact that she raised more money in Q1 of 2017 than any other Senator, and that her PAC is using its fundraising haul to buy endorsements for her 2020 presidential campaign donate to several of her fellow Dem. Senators:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/02/elizabeth-warren-2020-237909

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[houseonaboat]

I really think, and I don't know how anyone would organize this, it's worth having a thread that tracks Warren and Booker's every move. Every state they visit, every check they dole out, every public statement they make, because I don't see a scenario in 2020 where they both don't run, and I think we'll get a good idea of how each candidate wants to win and what their read of the political landscape is.

[MAINEiac4434]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

I'll never forget the "we trusted you" chants.

Disgusting. Sanders was not owed her support. Apparently the two don't even get along very well, and Warren strikes me as a much more pragmatic politician.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

Also bringing up legitimate grievances with President Obama's legitimate lack of leadership on these issues but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[MAINEiac4434]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

Also bringing up legitimate grievances with President Obama's legitimate lack of leadership on these issues but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nah, she's pro-Obama and pro-Clinton despite being to their left. She doesn't really care about his or her speeches. But the people she's trying to win over for 2020? They do.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

Also bringing up legitimate grievances with President Obama's legitimate lack of leadership on these issues but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Huh? Obama has already hinted that he wants to get rid of gerrymandering, improve civic participation, and to get money out of politics.

He's already made great strides.

[MAINEiac4434]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

Also bringing up legitimate grievances with President Obama's legitimate lack of leadership on these issues but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Huh? Obama has already hinted that he wants to get rid of gerrymandering, improve civic participation, and to get money out of politics.

He's already made great strides.

But he took Cantor Fitzgerald's money which means he is evil and part of the cabal that is ruining our democracy despite his actions that prove otherwise

Seriously, I maintain that Cantor Fitzgerald wanted to talk to the guy who killed Bin Laden considering the entire firm was nearly taken out on 9/11 and that Obama should get paid for spending his valuable time speaking with them.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

Also bringing up legitimate grievances with President Obama's legitimate lack of leadership on these issues but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Huh? Obama has already hinted that he wants to get rid of gerrymandering, improve civic participation, and to get money out of politics.

He's already made great strides.

But he took Cantor Fitzgerald's money which means he is evil and part of the cabal that is ruining our democracy despite his actions that prove otherwise

Seriously, I maintain that Cantor Fitzgerald wanted to talk to the guy who killed Bin Laden considering the entire firm was nearly taken out on 9/11 and that Obama should get paid for spending his valuable time speaking with them.

Is that gonna be the go to excuse now every time one of these politicians cozies up to Wall Street? Hillary Clinton made the 9/11 argument last year to justify taking money from Wall Street as well. This is getting absurd.

We're gonna get our asses handed to us again in 2018 and 2020 until Democrats stop being the soft Party of the rich.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

Also bringing up legitimate grievances with President Obama's legitimate lack of leadership on these issues but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Huh? Obama has already hinted that he wants to get rid of gerrymandering, improve civic participation, and to get money out of politics.

He's already made great strides.

But he took Cantor Fitzgerald's money which means he is evil and part of the cabal that is ruining our democracy despite his actions that prove otherwise

Seriously, I maintain that Cantor Fitzgerald wanted to talk to the guy who killed Bin Laden considering the entire firm was nearly taken out on 9/11 and that Obama should get paid for spending his valuable time speaking with them.

Is that gonna be the go to excuse now every time one of these politicians cozies up to Wall Street? Hillary Clinton made the 9/11 argument last year to justify taking money from Wall Street as well. This is getting absurd.

We're gonna get our asses handed to us again in 2018 and 2020 until Democrats stop being the soft Party of the rich.

Well, as we learned in the 2nd debate HRC's relationship to Wall St. is okay because she represented them on 9/11, so why not? 9/11 is why Dems are pro corporate and you're a Russian if you disagree XD

[Mr. Morden]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

I'll never forget the "we trusted you" chants.

Disgusting. Sanders was not owed her support. Apparently the two don't even get along very well, and Warren strikes me as a much more pragmatic politician.

Well, no, she didn't "owe" Sanders her support, or anything like that. Endorsing Hillary Clinton in the primary is still a huge indictment on her character, though.

She didn't endorse Hillary Clinton in the primary.  She endorsed her in the general election.

EDIT: OK, to clarify, there was still one primary to go at the time of her endorsement, which was DC.  But all 50 states had already had their primaries by then, so this was really a GE endorsement.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

I'll never forget the "we trusted you" chants.

Disgusting. Sanders was not owed her support. Apparently the two don't even get along very well, and Warren strikes me as a much more pragmatic politician.

Well, no, she didn't "owe" Sanders her support, or anything like that. Endorsing Hillary Clinton in the primary is still a huge indictment on her character, though.

She didn't endorse Hillary until two days after the CA primary when HRC earned enough delegates to be the presumptive nominee.

[Technocracy Timmy]

The clown car is uh-semblin'!



Yes that's Mark Zuckerberg with Pete Buttigieg.

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Source.

Just need Oprah and Cuban and we good!

[Mr. Morden]

Kate Brown asked if she’s interested in running for prez:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/03/kate-brown-how-trump-convinced-democratic-women-run-for-office/101245102/

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Seth Moulton says he’s not (using the present tense):

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/05/03/seth-moulton-repeatedly-insists-he-isnt-running-for-president

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And finally, Mitch Landrieu asked the same question:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/new-orleans-mayor-the-confederate-monuments-werent-an

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[Mr. Morden]

Here’s a new non-denial from Biden:

http://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2017/05/02/joe-biden-in-san-diego-im-doing-nothing-to-run/

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Here’s more on Biden’s comments:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/columnists/diane-bell/sd-me-bell-20170504-story.html

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[MAINEiac4434]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

Also bringing up legitimate grievances with President Obama's legitimate lack of leadership on these issues but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Huh? Obama has already hinted that he wants to get rid of gerrymandering, improve civic participation, and to get money out of politics.

He's already made great strides.

But he took Cantor Fitzgerald's money which means he is evil and part of the cabal that is ruining our democracy despite his actions that prove otherwise

Seriously, I maintain that Cantor Fitzgerald wanted to talk to the guy who killed Bin Laden considering the entire firm was nearly taken out on 9/11 and that Obama should get paid for spending his valuable time speaking with them.

Is that gonna be the go to excuse now every time one of these politicians cozies up to Wall Street? Hillary Clinton made the 9/11 argument last year to justify taking money from Wall Street as well. This is getting absurd.

We're gonna get our asses handed to us again in 2018 and 2020 until Democrats stop being the soft Party of the rich.

For Christ's sake.

Immediately following 9/11, corporate firms were exploring moving their headquarters to rural areas so that they wouldn't get decimated in a terrorist attack. Who's gonna attack East Bumblefuck Montana?

So employees of these firms wanted to continue living in New York City and did not want to move to East Bumblefuck. So when Hillary fought against these companies moving to East Bumblefuck (because if they left the economy of the city, already in bad condition following the attacks, would've collapsed), the employees of those firms appreciated it.

She laid an egg in the debate by not explaining it. But that is what happened. Do I know why Obama's speaking at Cantor Fitzgerald? No. But I do know 9/11 impacted these firms*. And politicians' reactions and actions in the aftermath impacted the people who work for them. To act like they didn't isn't telling the whole story.

*Especially Cantor Fitzgerald. They lost 68% of the workforce on 9/11, including the CEO's brother. Almost 700 employees in all. You don't have to like their business, but they were impacted by 9/11, and do have an interest in Barack Obama other than his fiscal policies.

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

I'll never forget the "we trusted you" chants.

Disgusting. Sanders was not owed her support. Apparently the two don't even get along very well, and Warren strikes me as a much more pragmatic politician.

Well, no, she didn't "owe" Sanders her support, or anything like that. Endorsing Hillary Clinton in the primary is still a huge indictment on her character, though.

Stop revising history. She endorsed after Hillary had already won the nomination. She said throughout the primary she was going to endorse her party's nominee. She did. To hold that against her is ridiculously asinine.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

Also bringing up legitimate grievances with President Obama's legitimate lack of leadership on these issues but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Huh? Obama has already hinted that he wants to get rid of gerrymandering, improve civic participation, and to get money out of politics.

He's already made great strides.

But he took Cantor Fitzgerald's money which means he is evil and part of the cabal that is ruining our democracy despite his actions that prove otherwise

Seriously, I maintain that Cantor Fitzgerald wanted to talk to the guy who killed Bin Laden considering the entire firm was nearly taken out on 9/11 and that Obama should get paid for spending his valuable time speaking with them.

Is that gonna be the go to excuse now every time one of these politicians cozies up to Wall Street? Hillary Clinton made the 9/11 argument last year to justify taking money from Wall Street as well. This is getting absurd.

We're gonna get our asses handed to us again in 2018 and 2020 until Democrats stop being the soft Party of the rich.

For Christ's sake.

Immediately following 9/11, corporate firms were exploring moving their headquarters to rural areas so that they wouldn't get decimated in a terrorist attack. Who's gonna attack East Bumblefuck Montana?

So employees of these firms wanted to continue living in New York City and did not want to move to East Bumblefuck. So when Hillary fought against these companies moving to East Bumblefuck (because if they left the economy of the city, already in bad condition following the attacks, would've collapsed), the employees of those firms appreciated it.

She laid an egg in the debate by not explaining it. But that is what happened. Do I know why Obama's speaking at Cantor Fitzgerald? No. But I do know 9/11 impacted these firms*. And politicians' reactions and actions in the aftermath impacted the people who work for them. To act like they didn't isn't telling the whole story.

*Especially Cantor Fitzgerald. They lost 68% of the workforce on 9/11, including the CEO's brother. Almost 700 employees in all. You don't have to like their business, but they were impacted by 9/11, and do have an interest in Barack Obama other than his fiscal policies.

Your logic for justifying why the Democrats should cozy up to an industry that mishandled people's finances so poorly that they put the global economy at the greatest risk of collapse since the Great Depression is because of a terrorist attack? That's absurd.

These people donate millions of dollars to Democrats and Republicans alike not to express some kind of gratitude for looking out for them post-9/11. Come on. They do it because they're trying to buy influence. And they need to make sure that our politicians don't go too tough on them given that they're justifiably hated after 2008.

This is business as usual in the post Citizen's United World. Obama has more influence over the direction of the Democratic Party than almost anybody else. He was instrumental in getting Perez elected dnc chair. When he speaks, many Democrats listen. Paying him off is the best bet Wall Street has in actually keeping the Democratic Party away from becoming populist and god forbid pursuing regulations that make it tougher for Wall Street to lead us down the 2008 path again. Dodd Frank has been slowly but surely eroded away with and God knows what the current GOP is gonna do to financial regulatory reform now.

But so long as the Democratic Party stays away from the populist left and engages in little to no hostility towards those poor precious bankers then all is well and business goes on as usual.

[McGovernForPrez]

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

Also bringing up legitimate grievances with President Obama's legitimate lack of leadership on these issues but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Huh? Obama has already hinted that he wants to get rid of gerrymandering, improve civic participation, and to get money out of politics.

He's already made great strides.

But he took Cantor Fitzgerald's money which means he is evil and part of the cabal that is ruining our democracy despite his actions that prove otherwise

Seriously, I maintain that Cantor Fitzgerald wanted to talk to the guy who killed Bin Laden considering the entire firm was nearly taken out on 9/11 and that Obama should get paid for spending his valuable time speaking with them.

Is that gonna be the go to excuse now every time one of these politicians cozies up to Wall Street? Hillary Clinton made the 9/11 argument last year to justify taking money from Wall Street as well. This is getting absurd.

We're gonna get our asses handed to us again in 2018 and 2020 until Democrats stop being the soft Party of the rich.

For Christ's sake.

Immediately following 9/11, corporate firms were exploring moving their headquarters to rural areas so that they wouldn't get decimated in a terrorist attack. Who's gonna attack East Bumblefuck Montana?

So employees of these firms wanted to continue living in New York City and did not want to move to East Bumblefuck. So when Hillary fought against these companies moving to East Bumblefuck (because if they left the economy of the city, already in bad condition following the attacks, would've collapsed), the employees of those firms appreciated it.

She laid an egg in the debate by not explaining it. But that is what happened. Do I know why Obama's speaking at Cantor Fitzgerald? No. But I do know 9/11 impacted these firms*. And politicians' reactions and actions in the aftermath impacted the people who work for them. To act like they didn't isn't telling the whole story.

*Especially Cantor Fitzgerald. They lost 68% of the workforce on 9/11, including the CEO's brother. Almost 700 employees in all. You don't have to like their business, but they were impacted by 9/11, and do have an interest in Barack Obama other than his fiscal policies.

Warren continues crapping on Obama.

Trying to ingratiate herself with the Sanders wing that she """""betrayed""""" by endorsing the party's nominee in 2016.

I'll never forget the "we trusted you" chants.

Disgusting. Sanders was not owed her support. Apparently the two don't even get along very well, and Warren strikes me as a much more pragmatic politician.

Well, no, she didn't "owe" Sanders her support, or anything like that. Endorsing Hillary Clinton in the primary is still a huge indictment on her character, though.

Stop revising history. She endorsed after Hillary had already won the nomination. She said throughout the primary she was going to endorse her party's nominee. She did. To hold that against her is ridiculously asinine.

It's just a terrible move optically for Obama to do. The fact that any politician gets speech money after being in office is horrible. The revolving door is a real issue in our democracy. Obviously Obama isn't solely responsible for all of this, and his speech was probably harmless, but does it make him look a little hypocritical? Yes. If he wanted to do the speech it would've been wiser to do it for free. He has a giant book deal that'll make him millions of dollars anyway.