McCain vs. Hillary

[Ben Meyers]

Grey - Tossup
>30% - Slight for one side
>60% - Solid for one side
>90% - Guaranteed for one side

[Ben Meyers]

Guaranteed

McCain - 183
Hillary - 34

Solid (including Guaranteed)

McCain - 277
Hillary - 60

Slight (including Guaranteed and Solid)

McCain - 373
Hillary - 113

Tossup - 52

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[opebo]

Mcain - 321
Hillary - 217

[PBrunsel]

Mcain - 321
Hillary - 217

You actually have a Democrat losing. WOW!

[No more McShame]

McCain 374
Hillary 164

[Erc]

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Hillary would win California. No way it's "solid" McCain.

[J. J.]

Not "solid," but I'm make CA a toss up.  It's a winable state for McCain.

[MODU]

Hillary would win California. No way it's "solid" McCain.

No one has shown it as being solid for McCain.

Anyway, McCain might win, but expect voter turnout to be very low if it is these two candidates running.

[jokerman]

Everyone always underestimates Hillary.  Even against McCain she is only 2 points down  according to most polls.

One thing people don't seem to get is that the Clintons are political geniuses.  They don't make the kind of mistakes that Kerry did.  They'll make sure Hillary says the right things, does the right things, and is presented as best as possible.  Nope, no errors like the swift boat controversy, or the Mary Cheney incident.

[Joe Republic]

As odd as it sounds, I think I'd give Hillary more credit than these maps have given her.

She has a massive advantage in that her name is a lot better known than McCain's.  A lot of politically uneducated swing voters will probably only remember him for losing the Rep nomination to Bush in 2000, which is hardly a redeeming feature to be remembered by.

Then there's his age.  In 2008 McCain will be 72.  That alone will probably rule him out from even trying to run.  Hillary (61 in 2008) wins on the 'youthfulness' factor.

Lastly, McCain has the longer senate record, with little other political experience.  That makes him a much more vulnerable target by those within his party (during the primaries) and from without (during the general).  At least Hillary has seen inside the White House already.

I know the odds are still stacked against her in this particular scenario, but I still think Hillary would do a lot better than some of these maps have shown.

[jokerman]

After the run of a whole campaign

[jokerman]

I think Hillary is one of the strongest democrats, for the reasons stated above.

Hillary vs. Frist

[MaC]

McCain 374
Hillary 164

Between this one and Erc's, it's probably the most accurate; provided the bitch factor doesn't work against Hillary.

[MissCatholic]

With a Clinton/Obama ticket then the republicans will not be able to handle the charisma offensive. what are they going to do run frist/guiliani/mccain.

They will do well. but like al gore in 2000, hillary will come from behind and gain momentum. more people will vote for her because the attacks just arent credible.

I give you her questions in the recent commentee on north korea

1. did north korea have a nuclear weapon ready to go pre 2000?

answer : no

2. does north korea have a nuclear weapon ready to go now?

answer : yes

3. has the events of 9/11 accelerated their program?

answer : it looks that way. although evidence suggests that it was more likely in 2002 when they reached that capability that you are suggesting.

4. will this increase the likelihood of japan going nuclear?

answer : while china remains inactive, it looks a decent alternative.

5. would you support japan going nuclear if china maintains its policy?

answer : yes. we cannot have a regime with a nuclear capability that could unstable the area.

6. what about russia? do they take the administrations view or chinas view?

answer : russia have been very unlcear on that matter. they dont want north korea to be nuclear but they dont see how they can stop it from happening.

7. Are the six party talks failing?

answer : currently yes.

8. what will make them succeed?

answer ; china and russia have to talk to the north koreans and take a much stronger approach.

9. and will they?

answer : i`m not sure.

10. have we got time to wait for them to make their minds up?

answer: no.

11. should we return to the two party talks?

answer: that could be an option.

12. better than what we have now.

answer  i think so.

hillary clinton was allowed to question him for 15 mins. but instead of messing about she only needed two mins. Presidents have to make tough decisions. she sees the threat of north korea. and i like the way she does it.

[MissCatholic]

that is hillary doing her job.

i was not a fan of hers. but instead of believing what people tell me about people, i try to find out myself what the candidates have to offer.

I was one of the first people to suggest mark warner. but when i heard her questions on this. she is tough. she is no nonsense and she asks very smart to the point questions.

with the right people around her. i think she could be a great president. so my top 5 picks for president if they get the nomination are.

1. mary landrieu (not going to happen but gets my vote)
2. mark warner
3. chuck hagel
4. hillary clinton
5. jospeh biden

[MODU]

1. did north korea have a nuclear weapon ready to go pre 2000?

answer : no

2. does north korea have a nuclear weapon ready to go now?

answer : yes

3. has the events of 9/11 accelerated their program?

answer : it looks that way. although evidence suggests that it was more likely in 2002 when they reached that capability that you are suggesting.

But North Korea didn't just wake up in 2001 and decided to build a nuke within one year.  They were well into their program prior to that, so this line of questioning could really open up the Clinton legacy of apeasement with N. Korea as actually turning a blind eye to N. Korea's ambitions for nukes.  Though it would not be her husband on the ticket, his actions would reflect on her regarding policy, and therefore become easy ammunition for the Republican's to exploit to their advantage.

[No more McShame]

Plus she isn't going to nominate a first term fellow senator as her VP.  She would go with a governor with a lot of experience and a swing stater.  Richardson?

[Notre Dame rules!]

McCain 374
Hillary 164

That looks about right.

[MissCatholic]

Remember 2000, one month to go and we were heading for a landslide. but the more people got thought about it, the more electable he became.

the same will happen with Hillary. if people keep kicking her then people will be turned off and they will eventually back her as in the debates she will show that she is tough.

She`ll beat McCain. 1. because he is dull 2. because he will be a dinosaur in 2008. 3, the turnout will be low within the base. 4. moderates will be in between and they could easily swing for hilllary as the perception of her proves to be unfounded and that she is a good senator. i didnt like her at all. theni chose to use my brain and now i like her. good luck to the girl.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

pointless thread, this matchup is about as likely as opebo converting to Islam.

[TomC]

Everyone always underestimates Hillary.  Even against McCain she is only 2 points down  according to most polls.

One thing people don't seem to get is that the Clintons are political geniuses.  They don't make the kind of mistakes that Kerry did.  They'll make sure Hillary says the right things, does the right things, and is presented as best as possible.  Nope, no errors like the swift boat controversy, or the Mary Cheney incident.

And don't forget: an actual vision for the future rather than Kerry's "I'm not Bush".

[Joe Republic]

pointless thread, this matchup is about as likely as opebo converting to Islam.

Agreed.  The sad fact is that I expect as soon as this one falls off the first page, another one with the same two candidates will pop up again.